Trinitarian Training

[dwight92070]

If you want to believe that the Lord Jesus asked his disciples to steal, i.e. sin go for it. And since you believe Jesus is God - it makes it even worse!

I never said I believed that. I said that if Jesus is only a man, then that's what it amounts to - Jesus asking His disciples to steal. But you know that I do NOT believe that Jesus is only a man - He is God in the flesh. Therefore God in the flesh can ask His disciples to take anything that He wants in this world, because it all belongs to Him - and that would NOT be stealing. So here you are twisting what I am saying.

Who told Peter who Jesus was?
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
Because the Holy Spirit, the power of the Most High would cause Mary to conceive is the reason why the child would be called holy---the Son of God.
Jesus is called the 'Spirit' AFTER his resurrection when he became a life giving spirit. . . . Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [1 Cor. 15:45]
The first Adam - a mortal human being; the second Adam, a mortal human being who died, whom God raised from the dead and became immortal - a life-giving spirit.

So I don't see your point here.

Jesus equated Himself with the Father AND with the Holy Spirit even BEFORE His death and resurrection.

"I and the Father are One." He made Himself equal with God (the Father). John 5:18

First He says that the Father will send the Spirit of truth - ANOTHER helper. John 14:16-17 (i.e. when He leaves)
But in the very next verse, verse 18, He says: "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." Basically He is saying that HE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[amazing grace]

If you can figure out when the High Priest died, you will have the time reference

well, since I believe the 'coming in the clouds' referenced is when Christ returns and no one knows the day or hour I won't have a time reference. Thanks for your own opinion though.

it is just Paul's obligation to gentiles, not a dispensation.

Scripture says dispensation, some use the word administration --- I stick with that.

Some people use that provocative language. However, I do not deny the divinity of Christ he God from his Father. duh

Yeah, yeah . . God from God. . . . Mary the mother of God ---- Mary changed God's diapers, yeah. Joseph and Mary disciplined God, yeah. Making Jesus NOTHING like his brothers . . .

 

[amazing grace]

I never said I believed that. I said that if Jesus is only a man, then that's what it amounts to - Jesus asking His disciples to steal. But you know that I do NOT believe that Jesus is only a man - He is God in the flesh. Therefore God in the flesh can ask His disciples to take anything that He wants in this world, because it all belongs to Him - and that would NOT be stealing. So here you are twisting what I am saying.

But Jesus was a man - he, himself said he was himself and scripture repeatedly calls him a man . . . .

It's even worse since you think he was God because since you INSIST that the disciples were stealing and 'God' told them to go get the colt ---- now we have God telling them to steal, aka sin.

So I don't see your point here.

Your response to Matthew 16:15-17 (Post 443)

That proves no such thing. The Word who was God became flesh in Jesus, who Gabriel called the Son of God. So He was both God AND the Son of God. By the way, Jesus was and is also the Spirit of God. 2 Corinthian 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, ..."

There you go - we have the Trinity!

Jesus is called the 'Spirit' AFTER his resurrection when he became a life giving spirit. . . . Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [1 Cor. 15:45]
The first Adam - a mortal human being; the second Adam, a mortal human being who died, whom God raised from the dead and became immortal - a life-giving spirit.

The point that you don't see here: Your claim of Jesus being the Spirit of God - FALSE!
Jesus was raised a life-giving spirit as noted in 1 Cor. 15 and 'Now the Lord (Jesus) is the Spirit' is a reference to the spirit of Christ NOT the Spirit of God.

Jesus equated Himself with the Father AND with the Holy Spirit even BEFORE His death and resurrection.
"I and the Father are One." He made Himself equal with God (the Father). John 5:18

Jesus did not count himself as an equal to God his Father. 'the Son can do nothing of his own accord,' . . . “I can do nothing on my own.

I and the Father are One is in the context of caring for the sheep. [John 10: 28-30] . . I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than ALL and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I am the Father are One . . . one in purpose, one in caring for the sheep.

Jesus did not make any claim to being equal with God . . . He called God his Father and the unbelieving Jews ACCUSED him of making himself equal with God.
BTW when you make a statement about 'God' you do not have to further identify him in parenthesis as the Father . . . . To me that is simply who God is . . . . so when I read 'God', I don't read or think 'Father, Son and Holy Spirit' - I simply think of the Father as the only true God!

First He says that the Father will send the Spirit of truth - ANOTHER helper. John 14:16-17 (i.e. when He leaves)
But in the very next verse, verse 18, He says: "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." Basically He is saying that HE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.

No Jesus is not claiming to be the Holy Spirit -