Trinitarianism verses Modalism debate

[101G]

@TomL & @civic, and @Fred
this clear up that mistake .... Sitting at the right Hand of God ERROR. do we now see the ERROR that exist? if the Lord Jesus was sitting at the Fathers right hand, well How can he stand before the very throne he sits on?

so that notion put a crimp into this three-headed person God. but still how is the Lamb sent into all the EARTH..... next time.

101G.

 

[TomL]

@TomL & @civic, and @Fred
this clear up that mistake .... Sitting Maybe because scriptie ERROR. do we now see the ERROR that exist? if the Lord Jesus was sitting at the Fathers right hand, well How can he stand before the very throne he sits on?

so that notion put a crimp into this three-headed person God. but still how is the Lamb sent into all the EARTH..... next time.

101G.

Do you have a problem with scripture?

Mark 16:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 10:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

 

[TomL]

@TomL & @civic
Please understand, 101G is trying to help you. ... ok. putting all aside, let discuss in earnest. the one who sits on the throne (who is the) Lord Jesus, as the resurrected man who was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in natural flesh. one who was EMPTYED, in the ECHAD of the equal share. and he was "GIVEN" all POWER" in the resurrection. this is why the knowing as to who sits on the throne is important. 101G suggest that we start there and understand the true meaning of the "ARM" of God in new light. for it will answer many questions.

101G.​

You need to first help yourself

and recognize the bible makes Jesus Christ a person other than the Father.

 

[TomL]

@TomL & @civic
well now you fellas have stepped into the UNKOWN .... LOST. but 101G will not let you fellas stay lost. listen the Lamb that have the sevens Spirits of God is sent forth into all the EARTH..... is that not the Holy Spirit who was sent? Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." the Lamb now sitting on the throne, and standing before the throne is now sent forth into ALL THE EARTH..... Oh my, the mystery thickens. now, 101G has the answers, but it's up to you fellas to decide to stay in darkness or come to the LIGHT..... your choice.

101G ..... (smile).

did 101G give too much of a clue? ......

101g needs to wake up to the fact that over and over the bible differentiates the Father and the son

Are you not admitting the lamb was on the throne after denying it?

but no I do not believe the seven eyes are the Holy Spirit

 

[TomL]

if you're speaking of Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."
101G is so glad you pointed that out for the word "ONE" is Italicized meaning it's not in the transcript. but listen to the very next verse, Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

well now, "he" is in the transcript..... (smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, and he is ONE PERSON. so that's MISTAKE 3 and 4 now, because that eliminates your two, and it eliminates your Lamb sitting on the THRONE, which you have not yet explained.

see you just keep digging yourself into a deeper hole...... (smile).... now ... please explain how the Lamb standing takes the book out of the hand who sits on the throne?

101G.

Afraid that does not help you

seeing one person does not necessitate there is only one person there

As I told you keep read and you will see the lamb is in the midst of the throne and I believe you already confessed that both were on the throne

You are trying too hard and ignoring the obvious

 

[TomL]

ok, you said the LAMB sits on the throne also with the Father.... (smile). so please tell us how the Lamb that is sitting on the throne is also standing before the throne? well .... your answer please.

101G.

Again scripture says he is

if you have a problem with that, take it to scripture

Mark 16:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 10:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

maybe you should stop smiling and listen

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have no idea how "diversity" has anything to do with it. ANSWER, "Diversity" describes the G243 NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE/Another of the ECHAD of God in flesh and bones. his OWN ARM shared in Flesh, or a Body. understand now?

101G.

Not really. What does "another" mean to you?

English definition = an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse

 

[TomL]

I have no idea how "diversity" has anything to do with it. ANSWER, "Diversity" describes the G243 NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE/Another of the ECHAD of God in flesh and bones. his OWN ARM shared in Flesh, or a Body. understand now?

101G.

Echad does not support you

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Here we have one (echad) flesh but not one person

Your own argument refutes you

 

[praise_yeshua]

Echad does not support you

Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Here we have one (echad) flesh but not one person

Your own argument refutes you

"Arms" included....

What am I missing here?

 

[101G]

so you have a problem with scripture?

no, but you do.... (smile)

101G.

 

[101G]

101g needs to wake up to the fact that over and over the bible differentiates the Father and the son

Are you not admitting the lamb was on the throne after denying it?

but no I do not believe the seven eyes are the Holy Spirit

but no I do not believe the seven eyes are the Holy Spirit
so, according to you, the Holy Spirit is not all knowing, let's see what the scriptures, say, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

so, since the Holy Spirit... according to you, is less equal to your other two person of YOUR Godhead. well now another dilemma to your triniterian beliefs. are not the doctrine of the trinity say all three person are EQUAL? ...... (smile).
@civic, @Fred
101G need your help in understanding something. your brother Toml say the Holy Spirit is not all knowing. is this a true statement. looking to hear for you both.

101G.

 

[101G]

101g needs to wake up to the fact that over and over the bible differentiates the Father and the son

Are you not admitting the lamb was on the throne after denying it?

but no I do not believe the seven eyes are the Holy Spirit

LOL, LOL, LOL, neither can you read correctly or understand correctly. 101G has always said the LAMB sit as well as stand before the throne... (Smile). if you want proof, just do a search of what 101G said concerning the Lamb sitting and standing before the throne.... (smile).... please look it up.

101G.

 

[101G]

Again scripture says he is

if you have a problem with that, take it to scripture

Mark 16:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 10:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

maybe you should stop smiling and listen

the scriptures are true, and 101G agree with them...... LISTEN, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." 101G been saying that this is the Lord Jesus who sit on the Throne....
and 101G said this also, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." this is the Lord Jesus the Lamb resurrected Lamb. now this, Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne." SAY WHAT? the Lamb took the book out of his own hand? yes, and 101G have scripture proof for that..... (smile)... YIKES. yes, the bible explain this clearly..... Oh boy oh boy. 101G thank his GOD who reveals mysteries from heaven by ... "HIS" ... Spirit and while on earth in the flesh. Man oh man what a God 101G serve. if you want to know the scriptures that explain how the Lamb takes the book out of his own "RIGHT HAND".... JUST ASK ...... (smile), BINGO.... CHECKMATE.

ye have not because ye ask not.

as you said, "if you have a problem with that, take it to scripture". .... that's if you can........

101G

 

[TomL]

the scriptures are true, and 101G agree with them...... LISTEN, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." 101G been saying that this is the Lord Jesus who sit on the Throne....
and 101G said this also, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." this is the Lord Jesus the Lamb resurrected Lamb. now this, Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne." SAY WHAT? the Lamb took the book out of his own hand? yes, and 101G have scripture proof for that..... (smile)... YIKES. yes, the bible explain this clearly..... Oh boy oh boy. 101G thank his GOD who reveals mysteries from heaven by ... "HIS" ... Spirit and while on earth in the flesh. Man oh man what a God 101G serve. if you want to know the scriptures that explain how the Lamb takes the book out of his own "RIGHT HAND".... JUST ASK ...... (smile), BINGO.... CHECKMATE.

ye have not because ye ask not.

as you said, "if you have a problem with that, take it to scripture". .... that's if you can........

101G

Nope and you are just repeating yourself

ignoring the various ways they are differentiated, the two witnesses, as well as misundersatanding the meaning of echad

 

[101G]

Not really. What does "another" mean to you?

English definition = an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse

Using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "Another": G243 Allos and G2087 heteros have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort; heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes another of a different sort.

PY, 101G suggest you study those GREEK definition of our English word Another very carefully. be blessed. if 101G can asst you any further just let 101G know.

101G.

 

[TomL]

LOL, LOL, LOL, neither can you read correctly or understand correctly. 101G has always said the LAMB sit as well as stand before the throne... (Smile). if you want proof, just do a search of what 101G said concerning the Lamb sitting and standing before the throne.... (smile).... please look it up.

101G.

Who cares what you had stated previously?

You asked me who sits of throne and apparently challenging the assertion both sit on the throne

I cited scripture supporting my claim both sit on the throne

Another

Revelation 22:1 (NIV84) — 1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

 

[101G]

Nope and you are just repeating yourself

ignoring the various ways they are differentiated, the two witnesses, as well as misundersatanding the meaning of echad

LOL, LOL, LOL, the two witness... you have no clue. God is the witness, and he is not a man until the end. listen, Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

notice God said ...... "my" .... meaning "HIS" two witness, follow so far. now how is the two witness his witness? answer, by his Spirit. was not the Lord Jesus in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') / Empty state anointed with the Spirit at his baptism? yes. now, John the Baptist, listen, Luke 1:12 "And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him." Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John." Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth." Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."

now what's right with this PICTURE? A. both are alive to God, for DEAD MEN cannot witness... (Smile), lol, Oh boy, because everyone else are DEAD in sin and trespasses. and two it is the Spirit who empower both men in flesh. SAME WITNESS, for it is the Olive OIL, the Spirit that have anointed them just as Zechariah 4 clearly states. and it is the same Spirit who witness in both men for the Lord Jesus is correct. the Father witness of me as well as John the Baptist. hence the statement in Revelation 11:3 "MY", "MY", "MY", two witness...lol, oh boy. now do 101G have scripture to this? yes, LISTEN and LEARN. Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one." now OT Hebrews 6:13 "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,"

this is just too easy.

101G.

 

[101G]

I cited scripture supporting my claim both sit on the throne

Good so tell us how do the Lamb sit on the throne and stand before the throne? your answer please.

101G

 

[praise_yeshua]

Using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "Another": G243 Allos and G2087 heteros have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort; heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes another of a different sort.

PY, 101G suggest you study those GREEK definition of our English word Another very carefully. be blessed. if 101G can asst you any further just let 101G know.

101G.

I have but you referenced a Greek source that is not the same in all instances of the Scriptures you're referencing.

I'm trying to understand this claim you're making relative to "differences" or the "another of a different sort".

 

[101G]

I have but you referenced a Greek source that is not the same in all instances of the Scriptures you're referencing.

I'm trying to understand this claim you're making relative to "differences" or the "another of a different sort".

the difference is a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, in a "EQUAL SHARE", as in First and Last, Beginning and end, or Alpha and Omega, or Root and Offspring. please note this is the same ONE PERSON, which is the ECHAD to come. and the ECHAD is in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.... understand?

if you don't understand 101G have scripture to clear up the matter.

101G.