Transmitting The Fallen Nature

[GeneZ]

I asked you the same question about the Father you asked about the Son.

FALLACY ALERT once again

If you say so? ...
Its God's Word speaking?

Ex cathedra reigns ?



This is an embarrassment needing for me to endure.

 

[GeneZ]

Another Arian/Unitarian has crashed and burned in a blaze of fire!

Let them keep coming. Our Lord God Jesus be always praised!

Goes to show you.
You can take the Calvinists out of a church of Calvinists...

But you can not take the Calvinist out of ................

All gnosis ...

 

[sawdust]

Where is it written that the Holy Spirit, who Jesus received at His Baptism, "cut" Himself off from Christ, as you claim.

Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, (Father) My God, (Spirit) why have You forsaken Me?”

He wasn't lying, He wasn't mistaken and He wasn't quoting poetry to prove He was the Messiah. He was experiencing what the prophet had foretold.

 

[sawdust]

Where does Jesus say He has faith ?

Hebrews 12:2
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

If He didn't walk the walk, He can't talk the talk. He wrote the way of life we are to live. By grace, in the filling of the Spirit through faith. If, as a man, He did not have faith, how can we live the life He did?

 

[civic]

Goes to show you.
You can take the Calvinists out of a church of Calvinists...

But you can not take the Calvinist out of ................

All gnosis ...

another strawman fallacy since either one of are calvinists.

 

[civic]

Hebrews 12:2
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

If He didn't walk the walk, He can't talk the talk. He wrote the way of life we are to live. By grace, in the filling of the Spirit through faith. If, as a man, He did not have faith, how can we live the life He did?

Faith begins and ends with Him as the Author/Finisher.

Let me ask again where does Jesus say He has faith ? Faith is always in Hm as the One who has faith placed in Him.

 

[civic]

Hebrews 12:2
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

If He didn't walk the walk, He can't talk the talk. He wrote the way of life we are to live. By grace, in the filling of the Spirit through faith. If, as a man, He did not have faith, how can we live the life He did?

What did He need faith for ?
Where does the bible say faith was required for Jesus ?

 

[GeneZ]

Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, (Father) My God, (Spirit) why have You forsaken Me?”

He wasn't lying, He wasn't mistaken and He wasn't quoting poetry to prove He was the Messiah. He was experiencing what the prophet had foretold.

They have some sort of cherish block that prevents them to see what is needed.

Reminds me of the days of trying to reason with Catholics about Mary not being the mother of God.

They emotionally cherished too much the idea to be willing to be reasoned with.

They dogmatically assumed that they were being faithful to their church dogma,
as they refused to be reason with by means of thinking with God's Word.

Its the mystery of the blindness of the religious mind.

The only thing that saves is coming to the knowledge of the truth.

God has patience to give by grace...

We must become transformed into having such patience while He presents us with our own helplessness requiring His patience to endure.

But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. " 2 Cor 12:9​

With God there is always a lesson to be learned within a lesson to be learned.

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[sawdust]

I am shocked! You are questioning Jesus' Divinity.

(John 8:58) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am!".

And I'm shocked you keep missing the point he is trying to make. He has said many, many times Jesus is God.

He is trying to make you see that not everything that is true is written plainly in the scriptures. Sometimes knowledge of the truth requires piecing scriptures together to come to an understanding. That is called "insight". Insight can only happen as one is filled with the Spirit.

Take for example what you have quoted here. If God had not said that to Moses, Jesus saying it would not have the weight it holds. It is by comparing the two statements that we realise what Jesus is really saying is "I am God".

Can you get it now what he was trying to do?

 

[civic]

They have some sort of cherish block that prevents them to see what is needed.

Reminds me of the days of trying to reason with Catholics about Mary not being the mother of God.

They emotionally cherished too much the idea to be willing to be reasoned with.

They dogmatically assumed that they were being faithful to their church dogma,
as they refused to be reason with by means of thinking with God's Word.

Its the mystery of the blindness of the religious mind.

The only thing that saves is coming to the knowledge of the truth.

God has patience to give by grace...

We must become transformed into having such patience while He presents us with our own helplessness requiring His patience to endure.

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But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. " 2 Cor 12:9​

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With God there is always a lesson to be learned within a lesson to be learned.​

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Name calling is the first sign of defeat and that you cannot defend your position. Poisoning the well fallacy as well. Guilt by association fallacy among many others you have exercised in this thread alone.

 

[civic]

And I'm shocked you keep missing the point he is trying to make. He has said many, many times Jesus is God.

He is trying to make you see that not everything that is true is written plainly in the scriptures. Sometimes knowledge of the truth requires piecing scriptures together to come to an understanding. That is called "insight". Insight can only happen as one is filled with the Spirit.

Take for example what you have quoted here. If God had not said that to Moses, Jesus saying it would not have the weight it holds. It is by comparing the two statements that we realise what Jesus is really saying is "I am God".

Can you get it now what he was trying to do?

No it sounds more like you guys are fitting in with the Kenosis heresy and their beliefs.

Let me ask you this question.

Did Jesus while walking this earth have all the same Divine attributes as the Father, lacking none. ? yes or no

 

[synergy]

Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, (Father) My God, (Spirit) why have You forsaken Me?”

He wasn't lying, He wasn't mistaken and He wasn't quoting poetry to prove He was the Messiah. He was experiencing what the prophet had foretold.

This is what you said earlier and I agreed with you:

God the Father was not forsaking God the Son.

Are you now changing your mind?

 

[GeneZ]

Faith begins and ends with Him as the Author/Finisher.

Let me ask again where does Jesus say He has faith ? Faith is always in Hm as the One who has faith placed in Him.

He had faith as man! The faith of Christ is the literal translation of the Greek pistis tou christou.

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Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, ​

even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and ​

not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Gal 2:16​

He had to have the faith first! He pioneered our faith!

For He had to pioneer his faith being as a man in order for it to become our faith, we being men!

That faith He pioneered took up residence IN Him!
And, it is always in Him waiting for us to access it for ourselves!

His Faith is thinking with God's Word that reveals reality as believers should see reality.

grace and peace ...........

 

[civic]

He had faith as man! The faith of Christ is the literal translation of the Greek pistis tou christou.

​

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, ​

even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and ​

not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Gal 2:16​

He had to have the faith first! He pioneered our faith!

For He had to pioneer his faith being as a man in order for it to become our faith, we being men!

That faith He pioneered took up residence IN Him!
And, it is always in Him waiting for us to access it for ourselves!

His Faith is thinking with God's Word that reveals reality as believers should see reality.

grace and peace ...........

horrible translation its FAITH IN CHRIST, not faith of Christ.

next........................

 

[synergy]

And I'm shocked you keep missing the point he is trying to make. He has said many, many times Jesus is God.

He is trying to make you see that not everything that is true is written plainly in the scriptures. Sometimes knowledge of the truth requires piecing scriptures together to come to an understanding. That is called "insight". Insight can only happen as one is filled with the Spirit.

Take for example what you have quoted here. If God had not said that to Moses, Jesus saying it would not have the weight it holds. It is by comparing the two statements that we realise what Jesus is really saying is "I am God".

Can you get it now what he was trying to do?

I can see that each point you guys make gets shot down and then you say no no that's not what we meant. I get it now what you both are trying to.do.

 

[sawdust]

What did He need faith for ?
Where does the bible say faith was required for Jesus ?

You're blowing my mind here civic.

He came as a man, lived as a man, in every way like us except without sin, right? But you think, as a man, He didn't need to believe in God?

I honestly cannot get my head around such thinking. He is not allowed to rely on His own Deity during the Incarnation, you get that don't you? If Jesus had relied on His own Deity in any way during the Incarnation it would have disqualified Him from dying as a man for our sin. He could not have pioneered our way of life as Christians. We cannot live as God, we can only live as men. Even in our redeemed state, we can only live as men.

2 Corinthians 5:15
and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

God did not die and rise again. It is the perfect humanity of Christ that saves us. To be "in Christ" is to be in His perfect humanity. We are not becoming Deity we are becoming a new breed of humanity.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

I honestly don't know what else to say.

 

[synergy]

Goes to show you.
You can take the Calvinists out of a church of Calvinists...

But you can not take the Calvinist out of ................

All gnosis ...

We're not Calvinists by any stretch of the imagination.

What are you guys?

 

[sawdust]

I can see that each point you guys make gets shot down and then you say no no that's not what we meant. I get it now what you both are trying to.do.

Unfortunately you don't but nevermind, the mercies of the Lord never end they are new every morning. I shall continue to keep you in my prayers.

Have a nice day.

 

[civic]

He is not allowed to rely on His own Deity during the Incarnation, you get that don't you? If Jesus had relied on His own Deity in any way during the Incarnation it would have disqualified Him from dying as a man for our sin.

substantiate your above claims/assertions from Scripture.

thanks

 

[GeneZ]

Hebrews 12:2
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

If He didn't walk the walk, He can't talk the talk. He wrote the way of life we are to live. By grace, in the filling of the Spirit through faith. If, as a man, He did not have faith, how can we live the life He did?

His faith that he pioneered was developed during the days while being as a man? Is now to become our faith.

His faith is perfectly suitable for us now, because his faith was perfected by him while being as man.
His faith he used to overcome the world while yet being as a man!

Jesus, since being glorified, is now being fully God in function.
So, he no longer needs faith to live by as a man would in this world.

He now distributes his pioneered faith to growing Spirit filled believers out from his "treasury of Faith."
Distributing out from the wisdom and knowledge he has stored and buried (hidden) within His Word.

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"That their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach ​

all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's ​

mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom ​

and knowledge. " Colossians 2:2-3​

Understanding and knowledge is now hidden to those not yet ready to receive.
Only way to get there is to remain correctable along the way when the corrections do come our way.

Its those who refuse corrections? They become frustrated and angry within. Hating Spirit led believers.
Believers who make mistakes like we all do, yet are happy because they can accept correction that they
know will be brought their way by God in God's timing.

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"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid."

Proverbs 12:1​

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'Stupid' does not imply being low IQ.

Low IQ is being dumb, not stupid.

One can have a genius IQ and still be stupid.

Dumb = not able to get it.​

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Stupid = determined not to get it. ​

Those refusing correction make themselves by their own choice into being stupid.
Even if they have a high IQ of genius!

In their case having a high IQ makes it only easier for them to make excuses for refusing correction.


Grace and peace... for those awaiting our joyous guided tour of Heaven!