Transmitting The Fallen Nature

[101G]

Correct. That is for a child that grieves you. Imagine how much more we should not forsake a child who pleases us.

for this is where MERCY and GRACE comes into play by "REPENTANCE". in repentance, the Pleasing of any Parent is made complete. as with the Prodigal Son. yet he sinned, but his relationship never changed. he was always a "son".

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

Huh? He is God. Are you denying that?

I asked you where does He say it outright?
Said it without requiring insight to understand his intent?

Insight is a tricky issue for you. Its a matter of convenience. Not objectivity.

So!

Where does Jesus say (without requiring our insight?

"I am God!"

You will not find it! It requires "insight."

Its the same kind of loaded question you hypocritically keep tossing my way.

Come on goose! .... IF Its good for you to do? its good for me to do!

We all know... What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

And, I want to thank you for something.

For giving me the opportunity to be sharing in the same sufferings my Lord endured when He walked as man.

But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, ​

so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed." 1 Peter 4:13​

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Someone, please give Synergy a thumbs up, so I can double my eternal blessing over this one! Please!


..... forever grateful!

 

[GeneZ]

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." ​

2 Corinthians 5:21​

 

[GeneZ]

There is not even a hint of your "withdraw fellowship" accusation in that verse.

When will you withdraw your "withdraw fellowship" false accusation?

Matthew 27:45-46

Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
that is to say,

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"​

Others coming to this forum are going to wonder why you kept resisting that so stubbornly.

Its obvious in what it says.

 

[synergy]

Ok then..,. I'll play your game.

Where in the Gospels does Jesus say he is God?
Actually say it?

I am shocked! You are questioning Jesus' Divinity.

(John 8:58) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am!".

 

[synergy]

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

God the Father is not distancing Himself from God the Son. He is not distancing Himself from the righteous man Jesus who was without sin. He is distancing Himself from our sin which Jesus bore on our behalf on the Cross. But because Jesus bore our sin, He also had to suffer the consequences of our sin which was to be cut off completely from God. There was no grace coming from God the Father or God the Spirit to help Him endure the agony. His own Deity was silent and gave no help just as His own Deity had given no help during the Incarnation period. All Jesus had to rely on was the word of God hidden in His own soul to sustain Him for the three hours He was without any fellowship from the Triune God.

Psalm 119:11
Your word I have hidden in my heart,
That I might not sin against You.

This is what Jesus had done all His life. This is how He grew in grace and wisdom. This is what sustained Him in the most agonizing time any man could face and a time none of us ever have or ever will face in this life because of His sacrifice.

Where is it written that the Holy Spirit, who Jesus received at His Baptism, "cut" Himself off from Christ, as you claim.

 

[GeneZ]

Strawman alert !!!!

If God viewed sin that way then Jesus could of never existed as a man being raised by sinners, eating with them, living with them, having sinners as His disciples etc..............

The fact that He is God and dwelled with sinners contradicts your theory and wipes it out. And besides all of that you have the atonement all wrong. God never punished the sacrifice, God never hated the sacrifice, God used the sacrifice to atone, cover, forgive sin and not punish the sinner. The sacrifice was never guilty but the sacrificial animal was spotless, without blemish to represent Gods final sacrifice for sin- The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

If God cannot be around sin and sinners you are reading a completely different Bible then I'm reading since adam sinned and God walked in the garden to find him and provide him with a covering. How could a Holy God wrestle all night with such a sinner as Jacob ? How could God allow satan into His presence in heaven and negotiate with him the boundaries on Job ? How could Jesus have as one of the 12 the one who was called the son of perdition ?

Your view of God is tainted by the traditions and teachings of man regarding sin and the atonement. And on top of all that a misunderstanding of the Tri-Unity of God and the Deity of Christ.

hope this helps !!!

Of course... Jesus was around sinners.
But, you act as if being a "sinner" is one who is constantly in a state of sinning.
At least according to the way you prepared your argument.
Jesus was around sinners. But not around when they were sinning.

Here is how Jesus dealt with one sinner whom Jesus caught in a sin....

Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, ​

“Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, ​

for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”​

Some are mindful of what like minded believers have been told to believe,
ideas that which they will emotionally bond with one another.


grace and peace ...................

 

[civic]

Ok then..,. I'll play your game.

Where in the Gospels does Jesus say he is God?
Actually say it?

Where in the gospels does the Father say “ I Am God “. ?????

ACTUALLY SAY IT ?????????

Nuff said

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

I am shocked! You are questioning Jesus' Divinity.

(John 8:58) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am!".

He is playing the Unitarian game which I’m an expert at lol. I one upped him see my question rofl

 

[civic]

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Some are mindful of what like minded believers have been told to believe,
ideas that which they will emotionally bond with one another.


grace and peace ...................

Yes like the Father forsaking the Son.

 

[civic]

Where is it written that the Holy Spirit, who Jesus received at His Baptism, "cut" Himself off from Christ, as you claim.

Wow another heretical position. God lost His Spirit.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

 

[synergy]

He is playing the Unitarian game which I’m an expert at lol. In one upped him see my question rofl

Another Arian/Unitarian has crashed and burned in a blaze of fire!

Let them keep coming. Our Lord God Jesus be always praised!

 

[synergy]

Wow another heretical position. God lost His Spirit.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

Their nihilism knows no bounds.

 

[civic]

Well, I have to say that one has truly blown my mind. Jesus the man had no faith????
I don't recall ever hearing that before.

Where does Jesus say He has faith ?

 

[GeneZ]

I am shocked! You are questioning Jesus' Divinity.

(John 8:58) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am!".

Problem with that is?

It takes "insight" to understand. You ignored what I SAID AGAIN.

I said, "Jesus said outrightly, saying he is God without requiring insight.

Insight is the word you do not like when insight is needed for what I say for it to be understood.


Like this gem that requires insight to understand it only pertained to Jesus being as a man, not as God!

"And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man."​

Any half honest believer knows that God can not grow in wisdom and in favor with Himself.

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So?​

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It would be like me asking an emotion driven, intellectually dishonest, believer....​

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What means? Before Abraham was, I Am!"???​

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answer.?" ..​

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"Jesus was always existing in the mind of God, Even when Abraham was alive!"​

Then when I try to reason with him out of his error?

He will ignore my words and quickly divert to another detail.
Just like the mainstream media does when confronted with truth


Curious... What size shoe does your foot take?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I asked you where does He say it outright?
Said it without requiring insight to understand his intent?

Insight is a tricky issue for you. Its a matter of convenience. Not objectivity.

So!

Where does Jesus say (without requiring our insight?

"I am God!"

You will not find it! It requires "insight."

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Does that require insight?

 

[GeneZ]

Where in the gospels does the Father say “ I Am God “. ?????

ACTUALLY SAY IT ?????????

Nuff said

hope this helps !!!

Say it without requiring insight.

That was what I asked.

 

[civic]

Say it without requiring insight.

That was what I asked.

I asked you the same question about the Father you asked about the Son.

FALLACY ALERT once again

 

[synergy]

Problem with that is?

It takes "insight" to understand. You ignored what I SAID AGAIN.

I said, "Jesus said outrightly, saying he is God without requiring insight.

Insight is the word you do not like when insight is needed for what I say for it to be understood.


Like this gem that requires insight to understand it only pertained to Jesus being as a man, not as God!

"And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man."​

Any half honest believer knows that God can not grow in wisdom and in favor with Himself.

​

So?​

​

It would be like me asking an emotion driven, intellectually dishonest, believer....​

​

What means? Before Abraham was, I Am!"???​

​

answer.?" ..​

​

"Jesus was always existing in the mind of God, Even when Abraham was alive!"​

Then when I try to reason with him out of his error?

He will ignore my words and quickly divert to another detail.
Just like the mainstream media does when confronted with truth


Curious... What size shoe does your foot take?



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How much insight did the Pharisees have? NONE!

How many crashes and burns are you willing to subject yourself to?

 

[GeneZ]

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Does that require insight?

Yes it does.

Was Jesus referring to His Deity?

Or to His Soul, which was eternally being before Abraham was born?

For as the pre-incarnate Lord God of Israel he was always being two natures in union!

First thing! Keep in mind that God is "spirit." God is not soul!


But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:23-24

Got that?

Yet, before the Incarnation the Lord God of Israel claimed to posses two natures.
One God! (Jehovah)
The other human! (Soul)

Knowing you are going to plug your ears and shut your eyes, I will say it anyway.
Say it for those who do have ears and eyes to hear and see.

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Jdges 10:16



Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone ​

loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5



“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, ​

the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred ​

meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; ​

They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14
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The Son has always been a union of both Soul and Deity. Having a soul that is to be our interpreter of God for our souls.
Interpreting what our souls can not naturally perceive about God without His input making us able to relate to and hopefully understand.

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No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has interpreted Him ​

and made him known." John 1:18​

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I know you still might have no desire to get it.
For you know there are others who accept what you claim and you seek their approval.
But some here will get what I say.
For them I speak the truth...

Why not join them?

Ever read Proverbs 12:1?


grace and peace ..........