GeneZ
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Can I ask my lawyer first?
Transmitting The Fallen Nature
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GeneZ
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civic
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lolCan I ask my lawyer first?
GeneZ
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I notice how its always sounding like something different each time.
Simply because you can not yet grasp what it really is.
Truthfully.. I do not want to tell you what it is..
Because I sense possibly you wanting to tear it apart no matter how good it may really be.
For, I know even Paul was attacked by those who hated.
I have not yet been able to determine if what motivates you is jealousy, or not.
Why did I say that?
I used to be friends with a teacher at a Bible college that went on to become a PhD at a seminary.
He graduating top of his class.
He then changed and became a monster...
After adjusting to that shock, I realized that the spiritual warfare we are in shows no mercy.
Especially when refusing painful discipline to be humbled (correctable) before God.
All must be led of the Spirit *personally* to finding what we need.
For only God truly knows what our heart really desires.
We all will end up finding from God what it is HE KNOWS we really desire.
Be it divine good, or evil.
Telling someone antagonistic about what we see is good?
May be someone who seeks evil, thinking his evil is good.
When there is antagonism?... It is inviting trouble that can be avoided.
For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number
of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Tim 4:3
Gathering others around that approve our teaching with thumbs up is no guarantee from God that we have his approval.
It might only guarantee we have a mutual admiration society when its not based upon having an ever growing knowledge
base of sound doctrinal teachings.
God will provide according to the true desires of one's heart.
I avoid answering certain questions to those showing overt antagonism.
For Jesus warned that we should keep those pearls in our pocket.
Clinging to our old ways of winning in the spiritual life will keep us from truly winning.
God must check us when we get competitive. He wants to work in His transformation
that only can come from receiving an always available supply of sound doctrinal teachings.
To think God can not do that in our day and age?
Is to think God can not do what He has set as His top priority for all believers.
Yes... its hard to find.
For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number
of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Tim 4:3
In Christ ..........
I said the same thing in posts #597 #600 #675 and #693 so no, I'm not changing my mind and that's not counting the posts where I alluded to the same message.
Deity did not forsake Deity. Deity forsook the humanity of Christ for three hours while He bore our sin.
Who died on the Cross? A God or a man?
e v e
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Christ is our Deity But His Father is God, another Being and God.
and has always viewed it as the idol, flesh, sin
Deity never ever forsook humans,
in the sense of our nature in paradise, which was His type of nature...
not the nature of this world...
and certainly we were not in these type of fleshbodies...
God never forsook our souls or Christ, which is why Christ
came here, as God's son, to legally make possible our
return to paradise.
sin =
this earth
this body
this satanic realm which God told Adam was DEATH
and which indeed we came to be in..
just as God warned.
God did not make this type of body, God never approved it
and has always viewed it as the idol, flesh, sin
Deity never ever forsook humans,
in the sense of our nature in paradise, which was His type of nature...
not the nature of this world...
and certainly we were not in these type of fleshbodies...
God never forsook our souls or Christ, which is why Christ
came here, as God's son, to legally make possible our
return to paradise.
sin =
this earth
this body
this satanic realm which God told Adam was DEATH
and which indeed we came to be in..
just as God warned.
GeneZ
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OK....
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith in Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and
not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Gal 2:16
Where is our faith to be found? In Him.
How did it get there?
While yet as a man He needed to suffer as to develop faith as to overcome each thing he suffered from.
He developed an answer for each one. Each answer based upon the Word of God.
The faith that He pioneered eventually overcame the world, our flesh, and the devil.
At first it became HIS faith. Later to become our faith.
Note that it has now become OUR faith.
Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set
before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand
of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2
We must learn the faith that is in Him to live by that faith to please God.
"For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Romans 1:17
And, that faith is to be gained how?
By hearing the Word of God! Romans 10:17.
That same faith is now to be found in Him. In the Word of God.
So we must live by the faith that is to be found in Jesus Christ.
Berean Literal Bible
Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by works of law, except through faith from Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith from Christ, and not by works of the
Law, because by works of the Law not any flesh will be justified.
King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have
believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
New American Standard Bible
Nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even
we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since
by works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
The faith he pioneered and made to be His own faith? Is now to be our Faith.
We must learn that faith by means of the Spirit's leading us into all truth.
e v e
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Christ did not perfect His faith,
He is deity, and perfect...and flawless
He took a huge step down to make possible
us to escape from this fallen earth.
God never made this ape body
though for us Christ suffered it
'man' means completely something else in Eden context
its not a fleshbody man at all.
The Rogue Tomato
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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing [comes by] the word of God/Christ (depending on translation). It's not as simple as "hearing the word of God".
But Jesus is God. So your statement that "Diety did not forsake Diety" confirms that God the Father did not forsake Jesus.
Let me ask you one question: Do you believe Jesus is a Divine Person, a Human Person, or both?
Jesus' human side underwent death (seperation of soul and body) and His Divine side, although perfectly alive and never dead, still went into Hades as if dead.
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GeneZ
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Come on Eve... Please stop.
I know you told us that are ill and hate what your body is doing to you.
But, do not keep distorting the Word of God to mean what you are telling us is truth we need to accept.
David tells us about the human body in Psalm 139:13-14 ....
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
Eve,,,, take a break, please. It gets tiring after a while.
GeneZ
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When did Jesus say the work of Atonement on the Cross was "finished?"
After he died physically?
Or, before he died physically?
Its important to get this detail straight if you are going to even know what death Jesus experienced saved us...
Did he come back after three days and then tell everyone?.... "It is Finished!"
No. Jesus said that the atonement was completed before he died physically!
After this..
Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished,
that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!”
Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge
with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!”
And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit."
John 19:28-30
The meaning of the Greek word "tetelestai" appears in a tense that means...Something was just finished in the past, that results in remaining to be finished forever.
Meaning there was nothing left to be accomplished by Jesus that needed for securing for us atonement for our sins!
grace and peace ..............
e v e
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please don't invent a story ....
I am not ill. I said I have chronic fatigue. I never said I hate what my body is doing to me. I look very nice by all accounts.
I never personalized my remark about the body.
The most attractive human to be found, any example you name, is still in the flesh abomination.
I did say about the body and this earth that God did not make this body or earth... He hates this body, it is an idol, it is a corruption after the fall, etc.
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e v e
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Jesus is both fully God and fully man. During the Incarnation He functioned solely as a man. While our sins were being born by Christ He was cut off from fellowship, forsaken.
Jesus Himself said He was forsaken. Why won't you believe what He said?
It's not our bodies that are the problem, it's the "other law" that is in our bodies that is the problem. That other law is what is known as the sin nature. If these bodies were evil then the Lord would not raise them back up to transform them, He would simply let them return to the earth from where they came. There is nothing sinful about the elements of the earth.
