Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Doug Brents]

Where did I say Colossians 1:16 is not Scripture? Show me.

You said, "So who's telling the truth?" If Col 1:16 is not truth, then it cannot be Scripture, because all Scripture is God speaking to us, and He cannot lie. So either God is lying, or Col 1:16 is not Scripture according to your statements.

But since Col 1:16 is Scripture, and God cannot lie, Jesus is God because He is the one created EVERYTHING.

 

[Peterlag]

This Is Not Nuts To You?​

I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.

One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.

 

[mikesw]

This Is Not Nuts To You?​

I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.

One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.

Indeed this is a nutty post requiring some statements to be found in scripture to persuade a hyperpreterist of who Christ really is.

 

[Peterlag]

Fellowshipping with Jesus Christ deals with “knowing” him (Philippians 3:8, 10).

In Philippians, Paul wrote about knowing Jesus, and there is a huge difference between “knowing about” Jesus and actually knowing him. Paul did not just want to “know about” Jesus. In fact, he said he counted any position he could claim in the world to be just dung compared to knowing Christ. Really knowing someone involves personally interacting with the person. In fact, it's difficult to imagine how we could really “know” Christ without personal interaction with him. Christians can personally interact with the Lord Jesus Christ, via the gift of the holy spirit, and part of that interaction certainly includes feeling free to ask him for stuff. Another reason to have fellowship with Jesus and be able to ask him for stuff is because he's now both Lord and Christ (Acts 10:36; Romans 10:12), and the very essence of “lordship” is being in charge and running things.

That is why the Greek word for “Lord” was used for rulers, landowners, and heads of households. Jesus is Lord because he is God’s “right-hand man” and is directly in charge of the Church. To be able to do that job, God gave him all authority in Heaven and on Earth (Matthew 28:18). In order for Jesus to be our “Lord” in any meaningful sense of the word, we have to be able to communicate with him and ask him for stuff. And this is why it is written that we should have “fellowship” with him “…and indeed, our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ” (1 John 1:3). The word “fellowship” in the Greek is [koinōnia] and it's used in several different ways in the New Testament. Fundamentally, it refers to a close association involving mutual interests and sharing; a close relationship characterized by involvement and sharing (Acts 2:42; 1 John 1:3).

https://walking-by-the-spirit.com/if-you-ask-me-anything-in-my-name

 

[Runningman]

I'm sharing the effect of your arguments. It certainly is odd that what I study on my own ends up matching with other independent studies of the deity of Christ. Your view just follows the party line of the unitarians or Christadelphians. I'm not sure why you have committed so much effort to conform to their doctrines.

I think that's your reaction to my arguments, not the effect of my arguments. My arguments are clear, Scriptural, and effective. Your resistance to what the Bible says is a different subject.

 

[Runningman]

This would demonstrate that they all are pre-programmed or indoctrinated in the same way that you have. It is like you are hypnotized to miss all the words that show the deity of Christ.

This would demonstrate Christians do online evangelism and outreach to those who need it, such as you and most of the others here.

 

[mikesw]

I think that's your reaction to my arguments, not the effect of my arguments. My arguments are clear, Scriptural, and effective. Your resistance to what the Bible says is a different subject.

Your arguments are clear and clearly wrong. If your arguments were effective, then people would turn to your novel, new, gnostic, private interpretation.

 

[mikesw]

This would demonstrate Christians do online evangelism and outreach to those who need it, such as you and most of the others here.

so that explains why you miss all the passages about the deity of Christ like you are hypnotized to miss these?

 

[Runningman]

Your arguments are clear and clearly wrong. If your arguments were effective, then people would turn to your novel, new, gnostic, private interpretation.

Your arguments are found no where in the Bible. You are in clear error and have been refuted exhaustively on every front. You have your work cut out for you and nothing will change until you repent of your heresies.

 

[Runningman]

so that explains why you miss all the passages about the deity of Christ like you are hypnotized to miss these?

You reject what the Bible says about the exclusive deity of the Father.

 

[TomL]

This is not ignoring. I comment and I do so often. If you don't like what I say, then you say I did not comment. Here I will comment again on Colossians...

Colossians 1:16 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Many point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe. Isaiah 44:24 says God created "all alone" and "by myself." So who's telling the truth? Acts 17:24-31 says God made the world and everything in it. He will judge the world by a MAN whom He has appointed and raised from the dead.

So what does Colossians 1:16 mean? The phrase "all things were created in" and "through" and "for" Jesus is not about physical creation. It's about God's plan of redemption, which centered on the Messiah. Jesus is the foundation of God's plan, and not the architect of the cosmos. Colossians 1 isn't about Genesis 1. It's about the New Creation.

It tells you right in the verse what the all things are. They are thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers. Not planets, oceans and stars. The verse is telling us Jesus will need these things to govern in his new up-coming kingdom.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

There you go assuming

Um you have already ignored what is obviously stated


Colossians 1:14–17 (LEB) — 14 in whom we have the redemption, the forgiveness of sins, 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, 17 and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,

In Christ we have redemption and the forgiveness of sin. He is over all creation because all was created by him

Hebrews 1:8–12 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, your God, has anointed you with the olive oil of joy more than your companions. 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands; 11 they will perish, but you continue, and they will all become old like a garment, 12 and like a robe you will roll them up, and like a garment they will be changed; but you are the same, and your years will not run out.”

Heb 1:8 clearly states it is concerning the son. Concerning the son it is stated he is God and that he laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning and the heavens as well

John 1:1–2 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3–18 (NASB 95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ ” 16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

And it is stated in scripture no man has seen God. Thus the God seen must be the son not the Father

John clearly identified Christ, the Word, as God as well as the creator of all things.

 

[TomL]

You reject what the Bible says about the exclusive deity of the Father.

You mean Like you deny Christ as the only Lord

Jude 4 (NASB 95) — 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

And contrary to the verses which define Christ as God


John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Matthew 1:23 (NASB 95) — 23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

Acts 2:38–39 (NASB 95) — 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Colossians 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Isaiah 7:14 (NASB 95) — 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Philippians 2:6 (NASB 95) — 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Revelation 1:7–8 (NASB 95) — 7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Hebrews 1:3 (NASB 95) — 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

 

[TomL]

This is not ignoring. I comment and I do so often. If you don't like what I say, then you say I did not comment. Here I will comment again on Colossians...

Colossians 1:16 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Many point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe. Isaiah 44:24 says God created "all alone" and "by myself." So who's telling the truth? Acts 17:24-31 says God made the world and everything in it. He will judge the world by a MAN whom He has appointed and raised from the dead.

So what does Colossians 1:16 mean? The phrase "all things were created in" and "through" and "for" Jesus is not about physical creation. It's about God's plan of redemption, which centered on the Messiah. Jesus is the foundation of God's plan, and not the architect of the cosmos. Colossians 1 isn't about Genesis 1. It's about the New Creation.

Colossians 1:15–17 (NASB 95) — 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

clearly it so teaches
Many point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe

 

[Peterlag]

Colossians 1:15–17 (NASB 95) — 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

clearly it so teaches
Many point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe

Same problem with John 1:1

It seems difficult for people to understand that John 1:1 is introducing the Gospel of John, and not the Book of Genesis. The topic of John is God (the Father, the only God) at work in the ministry of the man Jesus of Nazareth, not the creation of rocks, trees and stars.

 

[Peterlag]

There you go assuming

Um you have already ignored what is obviously stated


Colossians 1:14–17 (LEB) — 14 in whom we have the redemption, the forgiveness of sins, 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, 17 and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,

In Christ we have redemption and the forgiveness of sin. He is over all creation because all was created by him

Hebrews 1:8–12 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, your God, has anointed you with the olive oil of joy more than your companions. 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands; 11 they will perish, but you continue, and they will all become old like a garment, 12 and like a robe you will roll them up, and like a garment they will be changed; but you are the same, and your years will not run out.”

Heb 1:8 clearly states it is concerning the son. Concerning the son it is stated he is God and that he laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning and the heavens as well

John 1:1–2 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3–18 (NASB 95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ ” 16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

And it is stated in scripture no man has seen God. Thus the God seen must be the son not the Father

John clearly identified Christ, the Word, as God as well as the creator of all things.

John 1:3 “Everything came to be through it.” The logos is an “it” not a “him.”

Hebrews 1:8 Hebrews is saying your throne oh God is forever. Not Jesus is forever. In Hebrews it's quoted referring to Jesus having the use of that throne.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalms 45:6
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.The word "logos" (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος "logos" is something said (including the thought). So the word "logos" means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word "logos" is used. So in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ."


John 1:1 The word "logos" (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος "logos" is something said (including the thought). So the word "logos" means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word "logos" is used. So in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[TomL]

John 1:3 “Everything came to be through it.” The logos is an “it” not a “him.”

Try again

John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:3 (UASV) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him, not one thing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (NIV) — 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:3 (LSB) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (ASV) — 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

John 1:3 (The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version) — 3 Through Him everything came into being and without Him nothing that exists came into being.

John 1:3 (MEV) — 3 All things were created through Him, and without Him nothing was created that was created.

John 1:3 (NRSV) — 3 All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being

John 1:3 (CSB) — 3 All things were created through him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

John 1:3 (NKJV) — 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

John 1:3 (HCSB) — 3 All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.

John 1:3 (NET) — 3 All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

Or just read

Revelation 19:13 (NASB 95) — 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

BTW even your Geneva bible

John 1:10 (1599 Geneva Bible) — 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him: and the world knew him not.

Revelation 19:13 (1599 Geneva Bible) — 13 And he was clothed with a garment dipped in blood, and his name is called, THE WORD OF GOD.
Maybe you should actually read all the bible

Hebrews 1:8 Hebrews is saying your throne oh God is forever. Not Jesus is forever. In Hebrews it's quoted referring to Jesus having the use of that throne.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

First the son is called God

Hebrews 1:8–10 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.” 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

Then he is stated as having laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens the work of his hands

John 1:1 The word "logos" (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος "logos" is something said (including the thought). So the word "logos" means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word "logos" is used. So in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ.

Sorry this is what scripture states

Revelation 19:13 (NASB 95) — 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Maybe you should allow scripture to define your theology.

 

[TomL]

Same problem with John 1:1

It seems difficult for people to understand that John 1:1 is introducing the Gospel of John, and not the Book of Genesis. The topic of John is God (the Father, the only God) at work in the ministry of the man Jesus of Nazareth, not the creation of rocks, trees and stars.

Rather it seems difficult for you to allow scripture to form your doctrine

Colossians 1:15–17 (NASB 95) — 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.


Many correctly point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe

BTW would you deny God as creator if the statement appears in other than Genesis?

It would be a rather absurd argument.

 

[Peterlag]

Rather it seems difficult for you to allow scripture to form your doctrine

Colossians 1:15–17 (NASB 95) — 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.


Many correctly point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe

BTW would you deny God as creator if the statement appears in other than Genesis?

It would be a rather absurd argument.

Colossians 1:16 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Many point to Colossians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe. Isaiah 44:24 says God created "all alone" and "by myself." So who's telling the truth? Acts 17:24-31 says God made the world and everything in it. He will judge the world by a MAN whom He has appointed and raised from the dead.

So what does Colossians 1:16 mean? The phrase "all things were created in" and "through" and "for" Jesus is not about physical creation. It's about God's plan of redemption, which centered on the Messiah. Jesus is the foundation of God's plan, and not the architect of the cosmos. Colossians 1 isn't about Genesis 1. It's about the New Creation.

It tells you right in the verse what the all things are. They are thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers. Not planets, oceans and stars. The verse is telling us Jesus will need these things to govern in his new up-coming kingdom.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

 

[Peterlag]

Try again

John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:3 (UASV) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him, not one thing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (NIV) — 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:3 (LSB) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3 (ASV) — 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

John 1:3 (The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version) — 3 Through Him everything came into being and without Him nothing that exists came into being.

John 1:3 (MEV) — 3 All things were created through Him, and without Him nothing was created that was created.

John 1:3 (NRSV) — 3 All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being

John 1:3 (CSB) — 3 All things were created through him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

John 1:3 (NKJV) — 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

John 1:3 (HCSB) — 3 All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.

John 1:3 (NET) — 3 All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

Or just read

Revelation 19:13 (NASB 95) — 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

BTW even your Geneva bible

John 1:10 (1599 Geneva Bible) — 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him: and the world knew him not.

Revelation 19:13 (1599 Geneva Bible) — 13 And he was clothed with a garment dipped in blood, and his name is called, THE WORD OF GOD.
Maybe you should actually read all the bible





First the son is called God

Hebrews 1:8–10 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.” 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

Then he is stated as having laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens the work of his hands


Sorry this is what scripture states

Revelation 19:13 (NASB 95) — 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Maybe you should allow scripture to define your theology.

Try again? Okay...

 

[Peterlag]

I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.

One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.

If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.