Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Peterlag]

Behold the Deception of a Trinity mind...

I just saw a post where Matthew 16:16 is quoted where Peter tells us exactly who Jesus was.

Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ (Messiah) the Son of the living God.

A Trinity guy wrote...
"When Peter exclaimed that he knew Jesus was the Son of the living God, he was speaking from a Jewish mindset."

I might add Peter did not have a Jewish mindset. He had an Apostle of Jesus Christ mindset. Now let's look at the deception.

1.) Trinity guy says Peter was speaking from his Jewish mindset.
2.) Jesus said Peter spoke from what God revealed to him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Behold the Deception of a Trinity mind...

I just saw a post where Matthew 16:16 is quoted where Peter tells us exactly who Jesus was.

Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ (Messiah) the Son of the living God.

A Trinity guy wrote...
"When Peter exclaimed that he knew Jesus was the Son of the living God, he was speaking from a Jewish mindset."

I might add Peter did not have a Jewish mindset. He had an Apostle of Jesus Christ mindset. Now let's look at the deception.

1.) Trinity guy says Peter was speaking from his Jewish mindset.
2.) Jesus said Peter spoke from what God revealed to him.

Spamming. You're posting the same response in multiple threads.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the Trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the Trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. Such an important subject matter like the Trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.

And there's the spinning and twisting from the trinitarians who can't come up with one verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Trinitarians who can't come up with one verse that says why God would come to the earth as a man. Trinitarians who have to make up their own words that are not in the Bible. Words like Trinity, Deity, and Incarnated.

If any of this nonsense was true and since it's so important and a huge subject to Christianity and is necessary for salvation like many teach. Then it would have been taught by someone somewhere. And it is not.

Jesus said very clearly what the purpose of God was in coming to this earth.

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

You just see yourself. There is great glory to be found in God's love for humanity. So much so, that He did itself.

You're so self centered that you can't see it. You believe you're just as good as Jesus. Thusly, you must drag Jesus down to your level.

Are you as good as Jesus? I already know the answer. It the same answer @Runningman has.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus said very clearly what the purpose of God was in coming to this earth.

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

You just see yourself. There is great glory to be found in God's love for humanity. So much so, that He did itself.

You're so self centered that you can't see it. You believe you're just as good as Jesus. Thusly, you must drag Jesus down to your level.

Are you as good as Jesus? I already know the answer. It the same answer @Runningman has.

What verse says very clearly what the purpose of God was in coming to this earth?

I will number them to make it easy for you.

1.) Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified

2.) Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

3.) Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

 

[Peterlag]

Spamming. You're posting the same response in multiple threads.

Not everyone reads all the posts and I think it's only fair to have others see what I write and not just you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not everyone reads all the posts and I think it's only fair to have others see what I write and not just you.

Spamming. You can link without reproducing. Not that you would know this. Obviously you don't. Again. It is spamming and it shows your flawed character. You're all about you.

 

[Peterlag]

Spamming. You can link without reproducing. Not that you would know this. Obviously you don't. Again. It is spamming and it shows your flawed character. You're all about you.

Spamming is called posting data in different places on a site that is about folks posting data. Really?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Spamming is called posting data in different places on a site that is about folks posting data. Really?

Again. You know very little about so many things. It is good this forum is tolerant of you. However, reproducing data cost money. Deduplication relative to "Data at Rest" even costs money.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus said very clearly what the purpose of God was in coming to this earth.

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

You just see yourself. There is great glory to be found in God's love for humanity. So much so, that He did itself.

You're so self centered that you can't see it. You believe you're just as good as Jesus. Thusly, you must drag Jesus down to your level.

Are you as good as Jesus? I already know the answer. It the same answer @Runningman has.

Is Jesus as good as God? Jesus said no. What do you say?

Mark 10
18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is Jesus as good as God? Jesus said no. What do you say?

Mark 10
18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

You can read that verse differently from the way you're falsely portraying it. Corne on details guy. I've told you this before and offered to video debate you. The conversation would be over rather quickly.

 

[Runningman]

You can read that verse differently from the way you're falsely portraying it. Corne on details guy. I've told you this before and offered to video debate you. The conversation would be over rather quickly.

Most people I have asked what Mark 10:18 means say it means that either Jesus denied being God or that God is more good than Jesus. That's the way it reads to normal people who don't have a horse in the race to defend the trinity. The only people who misunderstand Jesus are the trinitarians.

Why do you think this conversation would be over rather quickly? You think I would ever cede a single centimeter in any debate?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Most people I have asked what Mark 10:18 means say it means that either Jesus denied being God or that God is more good than Jesus. That's the way it reads to normal people who don't have a horse in the race to defend the trinity. The only people who misunderstand Jesus are the trinitarians.

Why do you think this conversation would be over rather quickly? You think I would ever cede a single centimeter in any debate?

Most people....is that like 2 or 3 actual people?
I'm not reading anything in the verse, it really is very simple. You're the one forcing your view upon the words.

You have to realize what the person Jesus was answering needed. Jesus often ignored what men said to Him. I learned this the hardway in my life. You haven't learned it yet. You're the problem. The way you think is flawed. You only think about yourself. 99 percent of people do this. Self interest is a real problem in humanity due to Satanic influence. It is rare today to find anyone that will actually go against their own self interest. That is the way selfish people like yourself think God is. You mimick yourself in your theology. You "god" must think about himself first.

Now answer the simple question, what did the person was talking to need to know? Do you have an answer?

 

[civic]

Most people I have asked what Mark 10:18 means say it means that either Jesus denied being God or that God is more good than Jesus. That's the way it reads to normal people who don't have a horse in the race to defend the trinity. The only people who misunderstand Jesus are the trinitarians.

Why do you think this conversation would be over rather quickly? You think I would ever cede a single centimeter in any debate?

Mark 10:13-27


13 People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." 16 And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them.


17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 "You know the commandments, ' DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'" 20 And he said to Him, "Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up." 21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22 But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.


23 And Jesus, looking around, * said to His disciples, "A How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!" 24 The disciples A were amazed at His words. But Jesus * answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 26 They were even more astonished and said to Him, " Then who can be saved?" 27 Looking at them, Jesus said, "With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God."


Jesus point in His questioning of the ruler was rhetorical in nature. Do you know who you are calling good? Only God is good. He was saying to the ruler "Do you know who I Am and who you are speaking too? If you read on it becomes obvious for Jesus turned him away from gaining eternal life. He knew what was in his heart and keeping him away from the kingdom. Only God knows what is in mans heart and can allow a person into His Kingdom. Jesus was clearly claiming to be God in this passage.

No prophet, apostle or teacher has ever talked in this presumptuous way in which Jesus did in the gospels and especially in this passage in the synoptic gospel. The young ruler runs up to Jesus kneels to Him in worship and asks Him how can I obtain eternal life? Jesus answers back and said come "Follow ME!" Do you see what Jesus is claiming? He does not say, these are the teachings that God has given me or follow these rules and you will get into heaven. He did not say to follow God or submit to God. Jesus tells the man to follow Me! Only God has that prerogative.

He was saying indirectly to the ruler, know that whom you are speaking to is God. He was letting the young ruler understand who he was talking to and addressing as good. Look at it this way, Is He saying He is not good, and therefore not God? Or is He saying that He is good, and the reason this man can call Him good is because He is God? I opt for the second statement.

Let’s examine the context of the passage and what is going on when this man approaches Jesus. He says why do you call me good and points out to the man that only God is good. The man is unaware of His identity which Jesus who knew men’s hearts was aware of with the young ruler. This man thought of Jesus as just a mere man and not the Son of God. Jesus response was not one of denying His own sinlessness or deity. The context clearly shows just the opposite to be true. Jesus claims absolute authority over the young ruler by asking him to come and Follow Me. To call Him "good teacher" you better recognize who you are speaking to and this is exactly the point Jesus was getting across to the young ruler. Jesus is eternal life and the man was unaware of this truth which is rather obvious by his questions.


How does one obtain eternal life? Jesus confronted him with His Lordship when He said come and follow Me. Jesus confronted the man's sin of covetousness. It was a sin of indulgence and materialism. He was indifferent to people who were poor and in need. So Jesus gave him the ultimate test, would he obey His Lordship? The antis and non trins get all hung up on who is good and cannot see past the plank in their own eyes to see what one must do to be saved. They're still in an unbelieving state and miss out on eternal life from its very source, Jesus. Rather sad indeed.


If we further examine the context of the question asked by the young ruler in verse 13 we read; people were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, He was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." 16 And He took the children in His arms, put His hands on them and blessed them. 17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to Him and fell on his knees before Him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 18 "Why do you call Me good?" Jesus answered. Let’s see what question was asked of Jesus. How can I get eternal life?" is the question. "Follow ME!" is the answer that he gets from Jesus. Do you see what He is claiming? He does NOT say, these are the teachings that God has given Me. Follow these rules and you will get to heaven. He did not say, "follow God or submit to God", but he said "Follow ME!". Jesus is Lord and had the authority to ask of mankind, Follow Me!


John 1:6-8
John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through Him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

John 5:39-40

39 " You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 8:14
" Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.

John 8:18-20
18 I am one who testifies for Myself; My other witness is the Father, who sent Me."

19 Then they asked Him, "Where is your father?"

"You do not know Me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew Me, you would know My Father also."

Luke 24:27
Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Luke 24:44-45

44 Now He said to them, " These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

Its all about Him from cover to cover, not about the Father. He said follow Me, not the Father.

He was saying indirectly to the ruler, know that whom you are speaking to is God. He was letting the young ruler understand who he was talking to and addressing as good. Look at it this way, Is He saying He is not good, and therefore not God? Or is He saying that He is good, and the reason this man can call Him good is because He is God? I opt for the second statement.

Let’s examine the context of the passage and what is going on when this man approaches Jesus. He says why do you call me good and points out to the man that only God is good. The man is unaware of His identity which Jesus who knew men’s hearts was aware of with the young ruler. This man thought of Jesus as just a mere man and not the Son of God. Jesus response was not one of denying His own sinlessness or deity. The context clearly shows just the opposite to be true. Jesus claims absolute authority over the young ruler by asking him to come and Follow Me. To call Him "good teacher" you better recognize who you are speaking to and this is exactly the point Jesus was getting across to the young ruler. Jesus is eternal life and the man was unaware of this truth which is rather obvious by his questions.


How does one obtain eternal life? Jesus confronted him with His Lordship when He said come and follow Me. Jesus confronted the man's sin of covetousness. It was a sin of indulgence and materialism. He was indifferent to people who were poor and in need. So Jesus gave him the ultimate test, would he obey His Lordship? The antis and non trins get all hung up on who is good and cannot see past the plank in their own eyes to see what one must do to be saved. They're still in an unbelieving state and miss out on eternal life from its very source, Jesus. Rather sad indeed.


hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

Most people....is that like 2 or 3 actual people?
I'm not reading anything in the verse, it really is very simple. You're the one forcing your view upon the words.

You have to realize what the person Jesus was answering needed. Jesus often ignored what men said to Him. I learned this the hardway in my life. You haven't learned it yet. You're the problem. The way you think is flawed. You only think about yourself. 99 percent of people do this. Self interest is a real problem in humanity due to Satanic influence. It is rare today to find anyone that will actually go against their own self interest. That is the way selfish people like yourself think God is. You mimick yourself in your theology. You "god" must think about himself first.

Now answer the simple question, what did the person was talking to need to know? Do you have an answer?

If you are a native English speaker then “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone..." reads like a denial or deflection. The basic reasoning is that after Jesus was called "good teacher" he immediately questioned why he was called good before immediately talking about God instead. What Jesus said is a contrast and a contrast compares two or more persons or things to show how they are different. Most adults pick this up intuitively and immediately. There isn't a good reason why you can't understand this.

People who have not been indoctrinated into trinitarianism won't read it the way you do. They will see that either Jesus was denying being God, that God is "more good" than Jesus, or both.

Remember... someone called Jesus good, Jesus challenged it, then Jesus redirected focus on God. There are no secret affirmations of deity here. You are only arguing because you have been trained for this theologically.

 

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Most people I have asked what Mark 10:18 means say it means that either Jesus denied being God or that God is more good than Jesus. That's the way it reads to normal people who don't have a horse in the race to defend the trinity. The only people who misunderstand Jesus are the trinitarians.

Why do you think this conversation would be over rather quickly? You think I would ever cede a single centimeter in any debate?

Mark 10:13-27


13 People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was...

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[civic]

If you are a native English speaker then “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone..." reads like a denial or deflection. The basic reasoning is that after Jesus was called "good teacher" he immediately questioned why he was called good before immediately talking about God instead. What Jesus said is a contrast and a contrast compares two or more persons or things to show how they are different. Most adults pick this up intuitively and immediately. There isn't a good reason why you can't understand this.

People who have not been indoctrinated into trinitarianism won't read it the way you do. They will see that either Jesus was denying being God, that God is "more good" than Jesus, or both.

Remember... someone called Jesus good, Jesus challenged it, then Jesus redirected focus on God. There are no secret affirmations of deity here. You are only arguing because you have been trained for this theologically.

Mark 10:13-27


13 People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." 16 And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them.


17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 "You know the commandments, ' DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'" 20 And he said to Him, "Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up." 21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22 But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.


23 And Jesus, looking around, * said to His disciples, "A How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!" 24 The disciples A were amazed at His words. But Jesus * answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 26 They were even more astonished and said to Him, " Then who can be saved?" 27 Looking at them, Jesus said, "With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God."


Jesus point in His questioning of the ruler was rhetorical in nature. Do you know who you are calling good? Only God is good. He was saying to the ruler "Do you know who I Am and who you are speaking too? If you read on it becomes obvious for Jesus turned him away from gaining eternal life. He knew what was in his heart and keeping him away from the kingdom. Only God knows what is in mans heart and can allow a person into His Kingdom. Jesus was clearly claiming to be God in this passage.

No prophet, apostle or teacher has ever talked in this presumptuous way in which Jesus did in the gospels and especially in this passage in the synoptic gospel. The young ruler runs up to Jesus kneels to Him in worship and asks Him how can I obtain eternal life? Jesus answers back and said come "Follow ME!" Do you see what Jesus is claiming? He does not say, these are the teachings that God has given me or follow these rules and you will get into heaven. He did not say to follow God or submit to God. Jesus tells the man to follow Me! Only God has that prerogative.

He was saying indirectly to the ruler, know that whom you are speaking to is God. He was letting the young ruler understand who he was talking to and addressing as good. Look at it this way, Is He saying He is not good, and therefore not God? Or is He saying that He is good, and the reason this man can call Him good is because He is God? I opt for the second statement.

Let’s examine the context of the passage and what is going on when this man approaches Jesus. He says why do you call me good and points out to the man that only God is good. The man is unaware of His identity which Jesus who knew men’s hearts was aware of with the young ruler. This man thought of Jesus as just a mere man and not the Son of God. Jesus response was not one of denying His own sinlessness or deity. The context clearly shows just the opposite to be true. Jesus claims absolute authority over the young ruler by asking him to come and Follow Me. To call Him "good teacher" you better recognize who you are speaking to and this is exactly the point Jesus was getting across to the young ruler. Jesus is eternal life and the man was unaware of this truth which is rather obvious by his questions.


How does one obtain eternal life? Jesus confronted him with His Lordship when He said come and follow Me. Jesus confronted the man's sin of covetousness. It was a sin of indulgence and materialism. He was indifferent to people who were poor and in need. So Jesus gave him the ultimate test, would he obey His Lordship? The antis and non trins get all hung up on who is good and cannot see past the plank in their own eyes to see what one must do to be saved. They're still in an unbelieving state and miss out on eternal life from its very source, Jesus. Rather sad indeed.


If we further examine the context of the question asked by the young ruler in verse 13 we read; people were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, He was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." 16 And He took the children in His arms, put His hands on them and blessed them. 17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to Him and fell on his knees before Him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 18 "Why do you call Me good?" Jesus answered. Let’s see what question was asked of Jesus. How can I get eternal life?" is the question. "Follow ME!" is the answer that he gets from Jesus. Do you see what He is claiming? He does NOT say, these are the teachings that God has given Me. Follow these rules and you will get to heaven. He did not say, "follow God or submit to God", but he said "Follow ME!". Jesus is Lord and had the authority to ask of mankind, Follow Me!


John 1:6-8
John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through Him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

John 5:39-40

39 " You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 8:14
" Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.

John 8:18-20
18 I am one who testifies for Myself; My other witness is the Father, who sent Me."

19 Then they asked Him, "Where is your father?"

"You do not know Me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew Me, you would know My Father also."

Luke 24:27
Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Luke 24:44-45

44 Now He said to them, " These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

Its all about Him from cover to cover, not about the Father. He said follow Me, not the Father.

He was saying indirectly to the ruler, know that whom you are speaking to is God. He was letting the young ruler understand who he was talking to and addressing as good. Look at it this way, Is He saying He is not good, and therefore not God? Or is He saying that He is good, and the reason this man can call Him good is because He is God? I opt for the second statement.

Let’s examine the context of the passage and what is going on when this man approaches Jesus. He says why do you call me good and points out to the man that only God is good. The man is unaware of His identity which Jesus who knew men’s hearts was aware of with the young ruler. This man thought of Jesus as just a mere man and not the Son of God. Jesus response was not one of denying His own sinlessness or deity. The context clearly shows just the opposite to be true. Jesus claims absolute authority over the young ruler by asking him to come and Follow Me. To call Him "good teacher" you better recognize who you are speaking to and this is exactly the point Jesus was getting across to the young ruler. Jesus is eternal life and the man was unaware of this truth which is rather obvious by his questions.


How does one obtain eternal life? Jesus confronted him with His Lordship when He said come and follow Me. Jesus confronted the man's sin of covetousness. It was a sin of indulgence and materialism. He was indifferent to people who were poor and in need. So Jesus gave him the ultimate test, would he obey His Lordship? The antis and non trins get all hung up on who is good and cannot see past the plank in their own eyes to see what one must do to be saved. They're still in an unbelieving state and miss out on eternal life from its very source, Jesus. Rather sad indeed.


hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

If you are a native English speaker then “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone..." reads like a denial or deflection. The basic reasoning is that after Jesus was called "good teacher" he immediately questioned why he was called good before immediately talking about God instead. What Jesus said is a contrast and a contrast compares two or more persons or things to show how they are different. Most adults pick this up intuitively and immediately. There isn't a good reason why you can't understand this.

People who have not been indoctrinated into trinitarianism won't read it the way you do. They will see that either Jesus was denying being God, that God is "more good" than Jesus, or both.

Remember... someone called Jesus good, Jesus challenged it, then Jesus redirected focus on God. There are no secret affirmations of deity here. You are only arguing because you have been trained for this theologically.

What I said had nothing to do with me being a Trinitarian. Just FYI. Even Trinitarians disagree on some details of the teaching. I don't throw around "Orthodoxy" as if there isn't but one way to defend the position. I tried to teach the basics of our perspective and you just started this "you made that up" nonsense.....

I asked what the man needed that Jesus replied to?

If you read all the extant records of what Jesus said and did, you will notice that Jesus often ignored what people said and indirectly gave them a response that was meaningful to their condition.

For example, one such example I "came to mind" just now is the "women at the well". She completely misunderstood what Jesus was saying to her.

In this case, there is a reason for this man "walking away".

Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Luk 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Luk 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

Now read what Jesus said to his disciples about this conversation.....

Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Luk 18:26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?
Luk 18:27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Notice the end of Luke 18:27

Now watch what Jesus told the women at the well....

Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

The man that Jesus spoke to need to know what the women at the well needed to know.

I have hope that you will know Him in the full assurance of His value one day. Stop looking for yourself in all of this. Look for Him.

 

[Peterlag]

52 Reasons why Jesus is not God...

1.) The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.

2.) There is no clear Trinitarian formula in the Bible.

3.) The idea that "the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and together make one God" is not found in Scripture.

4.) God is spirit, and Jesus said he was not a spirit even after his resurrection (Luke 24:39).

5.) Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture.

6.) God was not born, but is eternal.

7.) Romans 5:19 says a man had to pay for the sins of mankind.

8.) The man Jesus is the mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5).

9.) Jesus called the Father "my God" both before and after his resurrection.

10.) Jesus said my Father is greater than I (John 14:28).

11.) It was God that made Jesus "Lord" (Acts 2:36).

12.) Jesus would have already been the Lord if he was God.

13.) In the future Jesus will be subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).

14.) Jesus was "sanctified" by God. God does not need to be sanctified.

15.) There is only one who is good and that is God (Luke 18:19).

16.) God is greater than Christ (1 Corinthians 3:23).

17.) It was God who did miracles and wonders through Christ.

18.) Christ was given all authority. He would have already had all authority if he were God (Matthew 28:18).

19.) The phrase "Deity" never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called "Deity."

20.) Ephesians 4:5 says there is one Lord.

21.) 1 Corinthians 8:6 says there is one God.

22.) Jesus called the Father the only God (John 5:44).

23.) Christ made a distinction between speaking against him and the Holy Spirit.

24.) Christ said his doctrine was not his own (John 7:16).

25.) Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42).

26.) Jesus counted himself and his Father as two (John 8:17).

27.) The Bible always portrays God and Christ as two separate beings.

28.) The Bible makes it clear that Jesus is an "heir" of God (Romans 8:7).

29.) Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise.

30.) Jesus had limited knowledge (mark 13:32).

31.) God made Jesus perfect through suffering (Hebrews 2:10).

32.) Jesus received the holy spirit at his baptism. He would have already had it if he were God.

33.) Jesus was tempted. God cannot be tempted.

34.) Angels ministered and strengthened Jesus. God does not need to be strengthened.

35.) Jesus died. God cannot die.

36.) Jesus says we are his brothers. The Bible never says or even hints that we are brothers of God.

37.) We are told to do greater works than Jesus. Nobody can do greater works than God.

38.) Jesus would have already had "all authority" if he were God and would not need to be given “all authority” (Matthew 28:18).

39.) Jesus would have already had “a name above every name” if he were God and would not need to be given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).

40.) Jesus would have already had "glory" if he were God and would not need to be given "glory" (John 17:22, 24).

41.) Jesus would have already been "appointed" if he were God and would not need to be “appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22).

42.) Jesus was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).

43.) Jesus was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).

44.) Jesus was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected him (Acts 13:30).

45.) Jesus was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).

46.) Jesus was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).

47.) Jesus was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

48.) Jesus is called the "Son of God" more than 50 times. Not once is he called "God the Son."

49.) The apostles also taught Jesus was a man (Act 2:22).

50.) The Bible teaches God is the “head” of Christ (Corinthians 11:3).

51.) The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible.

52.) There's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[mikesw]

What I said had nothing to do with me being a Trinitarian. Just FYI. Even Trinitarians disagree on some details of the teaching. I don't throw around "Orthodoxy" as if there isn't but one way to defend the position. I tried to teach the basics of our perspective and you just started this "you made that up" nonsense.....

I asked what the man needed that Jesus replied to?

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In this case, there is a reason for this man "walking away".
w what the women at the well needed to know.

I have hope that you will know Him in the full assurance of His value one day. Stop looking for yourself in all of this. Look for Him.

I know scholars realize that Jesus' question "Why do you call me good?" is not a denial of deity. But there is a common error of treating the question as an assertion as if a question this implied the assertion: "You are wrong for calling me good." Jesus of course could have made that statement if that is what he meant. But leaving it as a question leaves the issue a bit ambiguous but most likely a subtle indication that it was proper to call Jesus "good teacher." The verse also allows that it would be improper to call typical teachers as "good."
In effect, we get a rebuke to (or correction of) the man for the general use of calling teachers "good." Jesus further allows that the man's statement may work without him realizing it when applied specifically to Jesus. So, the second meaning is acceptable since Jesus is good because he is God. I figure most of us can discern these details though.
I think the gospel writer could have simply written that Jesus denied his divinity --if that is the impression to be left with the reader.

 

[Runningman]

I know scholars realize that Jesus' question "Why do you call me good?" is not a denial of deity. But there is a common error of treating the question as an assertion as if a question this implied the assertion: "You are wrong for calling me good." Jesus of course could have made that statement if that is what he meant. But leaving it as a question leaves the issue a bit ambiguous but most likely a subtle indication that it was proper to call Jesus "good teacher." The verse also allows that it would be improper to call typical teachers as "good."
In effect, we get a rebuke to (or correction of) the man for the general use of calling teachers "good." Jesus further allows that the man's statement may work without him realizing it when applied specifically to Jesus. So, the second meaning is acceptable since Jesus is good because he is God. I figure most of us can discern these details though.
I think the gospel writer could have simply written that Jesus denied his divinity --if that is the impression to be left with the reader.

You're referring to trinitarian scholars imposing trinitarian thinking onto the Bible. These are people trained in theology and apologetics and have had time to think of ways to argue their way around the plain and intuitive reading of Jesus' denial of being God. The fact that it must be studied and manipulated by scholars is a tell tale sign that they are simply trying to deny what it very inconveniently says for trinitarianism.