The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

Doug Brents said:
The delusion is that the thief's salvation has any impact on NT salvation. Because the thief was saved before the NT Church was founded. The thief was saved (there can be no doubt), but he was not part of the NT Church.
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That's not a delusion anyone that can read the Bible knows that.
 
Doug Brents said:
If you are not deluded into thinking that his salvation has any impact on the NT Church, why ask about how he could be saved without water baptism?
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Sarcasm? Skepticism? Denial... Yeah that's the ticket. And by the way please don't infer that my thinking is deluded. There's no need for that type of behavior.

I know the argument forward and backwards. Let's go backwards... perhaps he was baptized before he was put on the cross. We don't know because the Bible doesn't tell us. How's that for delusional?
 
Let's play it forward. The gospel requires us to believe that Jesus has died, been buried, and been raised. The thief could not have believed this, because it had not happened. So that couldn't save him.

The real story....Jesus could forgive the thief on the cross because as God he had the Authority to forgive sin.
 
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Doug Brents said:
Fred,
Matt 28:19 is not on your side of this argument.
Matt 28:19 lists three things that the Apostles, and through them each teacher of the Gospel today, were supposed to do.
First, they were to Go.
Then they were to Make Disciples (learners).
Then they were to Baptize those Disciples.

These are all things that the Apostles, and we, are to DO.
This is not "Spirit Baptism" because that is not something that we can do.
And when we consider that Mark 16:16 is another writer's (Mark's) rendering of this same event (and that it is also inspired by the Holy Spirit), and that in Mark we are told that belief of the Gospel message and baptism (the thing the Apostles (and we) were commanded to do) leads to salvation, we must come to the conclusion (if we are honest with ourselves and Scripture) that the baptism in Matthew is water baptism that leads to salvation, not something that follows after salvation.
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Truther said:
See this sentence...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ...
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You left out the rest of Acts 2:38.

It's not difficult to figure out as to why.

Why do you hate what Acts 2:38 says?
 
Fred said:
You left out the rest of Acts 2:38.

It's not difficult to figure out as to why.

Why do you hate what Acts 2:38 says?
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47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord....

Do you command folks to do what Peter commanded these gentiles to do?

If not, why not?
 
Truther said:
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord....

Do you command folks to do what Peter commanded these gentiles to do?

If not, why not?
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Truther said:
I think you are very confused. Do you think those that have a gift possess the gifts power. It is God using a person by his power through them. They don’t contain the power. You better start reading your Bible a little harder.
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You're being rather silly....

1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Have the Spirit given you the gift of healing?????? How about possibly answering?
 
Truther said:
I think you are very confused. Do you think those that have a gift possess the gifts power. It is God using a person by his power through them. They don’t contain the power. You better start reading your Bible a little harder.
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I know it better than you do. You're making false claims and then "playing" with your answer. Why can't you be clear?

The Scriptures declare that some are given "GIFTS" varying from one person to another. Sure, the Spirit (when it is real) is the one giving the gifts. However... YOU are the one exercising that gift. Stop playing with your food. Answer clearly.
 
praise_yeshua said:
You're being rather silly....

1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Have the Spirit given you the gift of healing?????? How about possibly answering?
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Manifestation OF THE SPIRIT.

Get it?
 
praise_yeshua said:
I know it better than you do. You're making false claims and then "playing" with your answer. Why can't you be clear?

The Scriptures declare that some are given "GIFTS" varying from one person to another. Sure, the Spirit (when it is real) is the one giving the gifts. However... YOU are the one exercising that gift. Stop playing with your food. Answer clearly.
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Did Peter have the power of the gift of healing per Acts 3 or did he have the authority of the gift via the name of Jesus?
 
Truther said:
Did Peter have the power of the gift of healing per Acts 3 or did he have the authority of the gift via the name of Jesus?
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Both. I quoted the verses referencing the gift.

Do you have the gift of Eternal life or life in the Lord Jesus Christ?

So you have have the gift of healing or has God ever healed someone through you calling on the name of Christ?
 
praise_yeshua said:
Both. I quoted the verses referencing the gift.

Do you have the gift of Eternal life or life in the Lord Jesus Christ?

So you have have the gift of healing or has God ever healed someone through you calling on the name of Christ?
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And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?


Who had the power?
 

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