The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

[TomL]

I ignored your argument about John 20:22, because you gave an opinion and not a proof. There is NOTHING in Scripture that would indicate that the reception of the Holy Spirit in John 20:22 was temporary.

Sorry, this was proof not an opinion

What the disciples had received was a temporary filling of the Spirit from Jesus not the permanent infilling that awaited Christ's glorification and the promise of the father

Acts 1:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

The promise was here

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

it concerns the permanent indwelling of the Spirit


The disciples were to wait for the promise of the Spirit they had not yet received it


it was to come from the father as seen by Ezek 36 and

John 14:26 (LEB) — 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name—that one will teach you all things, and will remind you of everything that I said to you.

They would receive it not many days from the ascension of Jesus

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[TomL]

Miraculous empowerment does, but that verse has NOTHING to do with the indwelling of the Spirit.



1 Cor 12:13 is indeed baptism "en" the Spirit, but it does not tell us when that happens. But John 3:5, Eph 5:26-27, Gal 3:26-27, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, and many others that do tell us when this happens: during water baptism.

Here you deny your words

They were to wait for the baptism en the Spirit

Acts 1:4–5 (LEB) — 4 And while he was with them, he commanded them, “Do not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for what was promised by the Father, which you heard about from me. 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

and you just confessed it does save in your quote concerning 1 Cor 12:13

BTW there is no mention of water in Romans 6 or Col 2 or Gal 3

The baptism that places one in Christ is here

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

And we still have your confession water without the spirit does nothing so it is the baptism en the spirit that saves

So neither John 3 or Eph 5 help you

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Let us go not in the ways of the judge not correct not or destruction is all that awaits .
A lie is growing my friend and it has come in cloaked under the guise that it is love and loving
and has made the path VERY DARN BROAD INDEED .
always remember that any love that denies a word of JESUS is not of GOD .
AND JESUS as well as them apostels used one word a whole lot .
Any guesses on what that one word was , BELIEVE .
they all knew , yes they all knew the dire need to beleive on JESUS was of upmost dire necessity
And they all knew That JESUS is no ministir of sin . JESUS dont hold hundred dollar bills
nor a dark rainbow , nor do he kiss on korans and budda statues either .

 

[TomL]

Let us go not in the ways of the judge not correct not or destruction is all that awaits .
A lie is growing my friend and it has come in cloaked under the guise that it is love and loving
and has made the path VERY DARN BROAD INDEED .
always remember that any love that denies a word of JESUS is not of GOD .
AND JESUS as well as them apostels used one word a whole lot .
Any guesses on what that one word was , BELIEVE .
they all knew , yes they all knew the dire need to beleive on JESUS was of upmost dire necessity
And they all knew That JESUS is no ministir of sin . JESUS dont hold hundred dollar bills
nor a dark rainbow , nor do he kiss on korans and budda statues either .

Some redefine the term, believe as to perform a particular act.

 

[mailmandan]

Some redefine the term, believe as to perform a particular act.

Yes, those who teach salvation by believing + works. So, instead of believing exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation such folks also believe in their works.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Yes, those who teach salvation by believing + works. So, instead of believing exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation such folks also believe in their works.

The question is real simple my friend .
So simple a small child could grasp it .
Do we believe in and Love Christ JESUS
Or do we beleive in and love another jesus .
The number who beleive in the latter jesus is staggering in these last hours .
And friend , that jesus cannot save them . Satan is very sneaky as are his co workers .
SO there is a real simple solution .
Let us read the bible for ourselves . NOT THROUGH ANY LENS OF ANY DENOMINATION of man
But for ones self .
Now if that causes fear or people are too lazy , it proves something .
But dont give up , just keep reading it and keep reading it for one self . WE surely would be amazed
at what would occur .

 

[mailmandan]

The question is real simple my friend .
So simple a small child could grasp it .
Do we believe in and Love Christ JESUS
Or do we beleive in and love another jesus .
The number who beleive in the latter jesus is staggering in these last hours .
And friend , that jesus cannot save them . Satan is very sneaky as are his co workers .
SO there is a real simple solution .
Let us read the bible for ourselves . NOT THROUGH ANY LENS OF ANY DENOMINATION of man
But for ones self .
Now if that causes fear or people are too lazy , it proves something .
But dont give up , just keep reading it and keep reading it for one self . WE surely would be amazed
at what would occur .

2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Then let us know and understand the interfaith interreligious dialogue
IS A FALSE gospel . I seen what its leaders tell them false religoins . that we all serving the same GOD .
Impossible . for they all DENY JESUS the CHRIST , they have not submittted to the Righteousness of GOD .
Thus let us have no part in that cup of interfaith finding common ground . its all a snare .
Its mean to sound good as though its for world peace n safety , BUT ITS A SNARE is all that it is .
Remember there is the PEACE of GOD , that be the peace that reconciles man to GOD . THAT IS JESUS the CHRIST .
But remember this too , there is the peace of anti christ , and that peace destroys many .
The peace of anti christ comes in as though it can attain world peace n safety . But it is naught but a death trap .