The Uncreated Word of God (Jesus) is God.

The Holy Spirit is a Spirit that is uncreated. Its Spirit radiates a Divine Uncreated Light that was experienced by three Apostles during Christ's Transfiguration. As Christians we are temples of the Holy Spirit.

Angels on the other hand embody a spirit that is created. The only people who are temples of angels are possessed people.

If the Holy Spirit were what you say He is?
That would mean the Father and the Holy Spirit can not be two different "eternal beings."

There would only be the Father and the Son.

The Holy Spirit has been a mystery.

One needs to first understand how the Soul of Jesus that was 'not created' before one can have a grasp on how the Holy Spirit
has Deity and a spirit like an angel, but not not created.

Its deep waters..... maybe the wrong time to try to share it.
 
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If the Holy Spirit were what you say He is?

That would mean the Father and the Holy Spirit are not two different "eternal beings."

There would only be the Father and the Son.
The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person.
He has a Personal will. "The Spirit breathes where He desires" (John 3:8). "...His own will" (Heb 2:4).
He has His own Mind (1 Cor 2:11; Eph 4:30) and makes Personal Decisions (Acts 15:28, Acts 16:7)
He is Omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-8); All-Knowing (1 Corinthians 2:10-11); Creator (Luke 1:35); Savior (Titus 3:5); Addressed as God (Acts 5:3-4).
He is worshipped: "Praise of His Glory" (Eph 1:14).
He possesses command. He directs (Isaiah 40:13); sends out holy workers (Acts 13:1–4); distributes spiritual gifts to believers (1 Cor 12:11).
He is His own Personal entity as an Independent Witness (Acts 5:32).
The Holy Spirit has been a mystery.
As God, the Holy Spirit is indeed a profound mystery to us mere humans.
 
The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person.
He has a Personal will. "The Spirit breathes where He desires" (John 3:8). "...His own will" (Heb 2:4).
He has His own Mind (1 Cor 2:11; Eph 4:30) and makes Personal Decisions (Acts 15:28, Acts 16:7)
He is Omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-8); All-Knowing (1 Corinthians 2:10-11); Creator (Luke 1:35); Savior (Titus 3:5); Addressed as God (Acts 5:3-4).
He is worshipped: "Praise of His Glory" (Eph 1:14).He possesses command. He directs (Isaiah 40:13); sends out holy workers (Acts 13:1–4); distributes spiritual gifts to believers (1 Cor 12:11).
He is His own Personal entity as an Independent Witness (Acts 5:32).

As God, the Holy Spirit is indeed a profound mystery to us mere humans.
He is worshipped: "Praise of His Glory" (Eph 1:14).

Ephesians 1:13-14

Ephesians 1:13-14

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel
of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised
Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those
who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.


:cautious: ...... The Holy Spirit is not worshipped. Pentecostals teach what you said.

He is given to be in us to glorify Christ, not Himself.


John 16:13-15

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.
He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will
tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that
he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father
is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make
known to you.”




grace and peace ............
 
He is worshipped: "Praise of His Glory" (Eph 1:14).

Ephesians 1:13-14

Ephesians 1:13-14

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel
of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised
Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those
who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.


:cautious: ...... The Holy Spirit is not worshipped. Pentecostals teach what you said.

He is given to be in us to glorify Christ, not Himself.


John 16:13-15

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.
He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will
tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that
he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father
is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make
known to you.”




grace and peace ............
I see that you did not object to the Holy Spirit being a distinct Person. So we're good there?

I also see that you did not take issue with "the praise of his (Holy Spirit's) glory" in Eph 1:14.

Besides, since the Holy Spirit is a Divine Person then it's a slam dunk that we worship Him as God.
 
I see that you did not object to the Holy Spirit being a distinct Person. So we're good there?

I also see that you did not take issue with "the praise of his (Holy Spirit's) glory" in Eph 1:14.

Besides, since the Holy Spirit is a Divine Person then it's a slam dunk that we worship Him as God.

Don't put words in my mouth that were not there..

Have a nice Day......

grace and peace ................
 
Don't put words in my mouth that were not there..

Have a nice Day......

grace and peace ................
I'm reporting what I'm observing. You have full freedom to reveal your thoughts about the Holy Spirit's Personhood as depicted in the verses I forwarded. Until then, one can only go by what one observes.

Once that's done then we can get into other verses like John 16:13-15 and any other verses you wish to discuss.
 
I'm reporting what I'm observing. You have full freedom to reveal your thoughts about the Holy Spirit's Personhood as depicted in the verses I forwarded. Until then, one can only go by what one observes.

Once that's done then we can get into other verses like John 16:13-15 and any other verses you wish to discuss.

What you stated? How can that be? How can the Holy Spirit be an eternal spirit and be anything different than the Father in disguise.

Something has to differentiate between the two, just like the Son is being two natures in union to make Him unique.

What you described is simply the Father by another name.
 

1 John 5:7​


For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.

"these three are one"...God
 

1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.

"these three are one"...God
Yes...

The Father is God.

The Son is the same God in union with humanity.... expressing God with a human frame of reference. .

The Holy Spirit is the same God in union with angel/spirit... expressing God with an angelic frame of reference.

One is being God. Unseen.. unfelt.

Two are revealing God in a way understandable to angels and men.

grace and peace.....
 
You do know that the word for God in Hebrew is Elohim = which is plural, just as the scripture you posted states.
No thanks for the info. I thought about your reply and the Christian God in English is also plural.

 
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It's been my experience during +/- 27 years of activity on internet forums, that
quite a few Christians online are unable to discern the difference between the Word
of John 1:1-3 and the flesh that the Word became per John 1:14

* That particular configuration is very interesting as it depicts the cosmos' creator
existing as an eternal spirit being, and a temporal material being, simultaneously.

Anyway, it's no trouble at all to trace the origin of the Word's flesh all the way back
to Adam's flesh.

Gen 3:15 . . And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your seed and her seed. He shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him
on the heel.

Petty much everybody on both sides of the aisle agrees that prophesy pertains to
Messiah.

Gen 22:18 . . In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed

Pretty much all are agreed that one also pertains to Messiah.

For sure a genealogy is needed for Gen 22:18 because any man claiming to be
Messiah has to present credible evidence that he descends from Abraham-- plus
Isaac (Gen 26:4) Jacob (Gen 28:14) and Judah. (Gen 49:9-10)

However; there's no need for a genealogy relative to Gen 3:15 because the only
qualification required is that the candidate be Eve's posterity, i.e. a human being.

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body. So then, Eve owes her
existence to Adam's existence, and if so; then her seed also owes its existence to
Adam's existence; which brings us up to David.

Not just any Jew qualifies to take David's throne. God requires that the man must
first of all be one of David's biological descendants.

Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it:
"Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The New Testament verifies Christ is the fruit of David's body spoken of in that
oath.

Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch
David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on
his throne.

Rom 1:3 . . . His son; descended from David according to the flesh

If true that Christ is David's biological descendant, and if true that David was Eve's
biological descendant, then it must be true that Christ, along with David, is also
Adam's biological descendant. So then if Adam was a created being, then his
biological descendants Eve, David, and Christ are also created beings.


FAQ: Jesus is alleged to have been miraculously conceived (Luke 1:27-35) How
then did he in any way at all descend from David's loins, i.e. David's flesh?


REPLY: Baby Jesus wasn't implanted in Mary's womb as a surrogate mother,
rather, he was conceived in her womb. Seeing as how Joseph wasn't Jesus'
biological father, then conception by means of his mom's flesh became her child's
default biological path to David's flesh (Gal 4:4). Although women are rare in
biblical genealogies, they still matter. For example Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba.
(Matt 1:5-6)
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It's been my experience during +/- 27 years of activity on internet forums, that
quite a few Christians online are unable to discern the difference between the Word
of John 1:1-3 and the flesh that the Word became per John 1:14
well you said a mouth full.

101G.
 
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According to John 1:1-3 the Word is divine, i.e. an eternal being; so it would be
incorrect to insist the Word was begotten because that would indicate the Word had
a beginning.

When speaking of God's begotten son, it is essential to confine our discussion to the
flesh that the Word became per Luke 1:26-35 & John 1:14, for there is abundant text
to show that Jesus is God's direct descendant: in point of fact Jesus is thus far God's
one and only direct descendant, e.g. John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, Heb 11:17, and
1John 4:9.


FAQ: Aren't Jesus and the Word one and the same person?

REPLY: No, absolutely not! The one is an eternal spirit being whereas the other is a
temporal physical being, i.e. Christ came into the world 100% human and can be
very easily shown biologically related to David, and from thence to Adam and the
very dust with which Adam was constructed.


FAQ: Christ and the Word are two distinctly separate individuals?

REPLY: Yes.

FAQ: How is it possible for somebody to exist as two persons at once?

REPLY: It's possible due to the fact that the nature of each person's existence is
very different: the one is supernatural whereas the other is organic. (1Cor 15:45
47) viz: Christ is the ultimate theophany. (Heb 1:1-3)

* I suggest paying very close attention to detail when assigning divinity to Christ--
he's divine, yes, but not by his unity with the Word because when the Word took on
an organic form, he left behind the divine aspect of his existence. (Phil 2:6-8) That
was no doubt done to ensure Christ came into the world with only a human's
characteristics instead of a demigod's. In other words: the Word wasn't born a
divine man, rather, he was born a Jewish man who was eventually elevated to the
status of God in due time; but that's another story.
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According to John 1:1-3 the Word is divine, i.e. an eternal being; so it would be
incorrect to insist the Word was begotten because that would indicate the Word had
a beginning.
101G agree with you on the flesh, but 101G disagree with you on the Spirit. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

if this divine being was given in flesh, in flesh would be a beginning in flesh only.

101G.
 
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