The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14

[101G]

I am not defending Dave, but the Father would not have to have anyone present to do the creating and making.

ok, listen, Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" this is the Lord Jesus , right.... right. Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." THIS IS THE SAME "one" PERSON.

But at that you know He had someone in Genesis 1:26 or else He was the first of a very long line of dementia sufferers.

Truth. We have but 1 God, made up of 3 parts. Each with their own capabilities and directions.

He had someone in Genesis 1:26... ARE YOU DEAF? did not the Lord Jesus said, just as Isaiah 44/;24 said, he God was alone, and by himself. NOW, COMMON-SENSE DICTITATES THAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHY HE SAID US AND OUR. AT GENESIS 1:26

and in the very next verse say he and his a single person in Genesis 1:27. just as the Lord Jesus said, "HE", "HE", "HE"... one person made them at the beginning made them male and female. do you not believe the Lord Jesus?


101G

 

[101G]

"WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

That is the Catholic logic when they say and he knew her not until......... To prove that Mary stayed a virgin because I had weeks of that one and no matter what commentary, including the Catholic Bishops said they proved... beyond doubt...that until meansthat is the end. It stops there.

101G is not Catholic.

But I will ask you this.

IF
the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

Who did resurrect Jesus?

let the BIBLE out out of the Lord Jesus own mouth tell you. LISTEN and LEARN, John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."

do you understand NOW? ....... Diversity, which is the ECHAD of God plurality as ONE and the SAME PERSON.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

your fourth ERROR of the Day, Listen and Learn, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

"ALONE" means, "having no one else present"

Dave, Dave, think man, if someone is "ALONE", and "BY ONESELF", there is no one else to go through. My God man THINK.

101G.

God created Eve from Adam = therefore 'they' are 'echad' = one

from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’
‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’;
so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. - Mark 10:6-8

When the "two" become "one" they produce 'THREE' when the "one" have children.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them,
for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,



"Godhead"

• θεότης (theotēs) – A feminine noun derived directly from θεός, typically translated as “Godhead” or “Deity.” It signifies the full, essential nature of God.
• θειότης (theiotēs) – Also a feminine noun, formed from the adjective θεῖος (“divine”). It refers to the quality or characteristic of divinity, often rendered “divine nature” or “divine attributes.”

Grammatically, the suffix -της is common to both words, indicating abstract qualities or states. Yet their stems—θεός vs. θεῖος—signal an important lexical divergence. While θεότης points to the essence of God Himself, θειότης describes divine traits or power perceived in creation.

 

[101G]

God created Eve from Adam = therefore 'they' are 'echad' = one

same flesh, God is a "Spirit" . PLEASE LISTEN, the ECHAD of God is in Designations of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

TIME: beginning and end, PLACE: Father and Son. ORDER: First and Last. RANK: LORD and LORD.

This is too easy.

101G.

 

[101G]

from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’
‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’;
so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. - Mark 10:6-8

When the "two" become "one" they produce 'THREE' when the "one" have children.

the ECHAD of God is not in flesh, but Spirit. LISTEN, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Form here is the Greek term
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
See also: G3445, G3446, G4832

notice definition #2. NATURE, Spirit..... so what kind of Spirit.... answer, "EQUAL WITH". the Root of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. answer. Listen,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).

Question, WHAT IS ANOTHER WORD FOR "PORTION?", answer "SHARE", the Lord Jesus in flesh is the EQUAL SHARE of God in Flesh .... this is the ECHAD of God plurality. BINGO, the "EQUAL SHARE" of HIMSELF in flesh...... common on think people.

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

101G is not Catholic.

let the BIBLE out out of the Lord Jesus own mouth tell you. LISTEN and LEARN, John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."

do you understand NOW? ....... Diversity, which is the ECHAD of God plurality as ONE and the SAME PERSON.

101G.

Which makes it worse. If you were we would know where your beliefs come from

 

[MTMattie]

101G is not Catholic.

let the BIBLE out out of the Lord Jesus own mouth tell you. LISTEN and LEARN, John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."

do you understand NOW? ....... Diversity, which is the ECHAD of God plurality as ONE and the SAME PERSON.

101G.

No...

 

[101G]

No...

Good, then you reject the Lord Jesus, just as 101G thought. anti Christ. .... (smile) lol, YIKES!

Now, to all others, @DavidTree

the plurality of God is not in cardinal numbers, no but in Ordinal numbers. Listen. picture in your mind an elevator in a building with five floors. you enter the building. and wanted to go to the fifth floor. do you press floor 2 and floor 3 to get to the fifth floor? no one just press the fifth floor button. see the difference between Cardinal number vs Ordinal numbers .

understand Cardinal number show sums. Ordinal Numbers show designation. again, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

one here is a designation in TIME, in ORDER, in PLACE, in RANK. for the ONE, or ECHAD is in designations.

let's see this designation in TIME. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
BINGO, "TO COME". ...... in TIME, in the RANK, of Lord, in the ORDER, Last, in the Place, (in flesh) , Son.

now let 101G make a statement. the Lord Jesus the .... "CHRIST" .... Made NOTHING IN THE "BEGINNING", but JESUS DID.... (smile), see you cannot understand this can you. because the Christ, (FLESH and BLOOD) was not at Genesis 1:26... hence the HE, at Genesis 1:27.

101G

 

[DavidTree]

"WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

That is the Catholic logic when they say and he knew her not until......... To prove that Mary stayed a virgin because I had weeks of that one and no matter what commentary, including the Catholic Bishops said they proved... beyond doubt...that until meansthat is the end. It stops there.

Yopu have too many areas in the bible that have them separated. That even you cannot make one from.

But I will ask you this.

IF
the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

Who did resurrect Jesus?

After all... In the tomb God would have been dead... for a while anyway

"WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

"one person" is the stumbling block of monotheistic Jewish tradition and the premise of @101G thinking
"one person" is the stumbling block of jw
"one person" is the stumbing block of Islam

In your previous posts you correctly point out the TWO Who are One = FATHER & only begotten SON

Genesis chapter 1 immediately identifies Elohim is Plural and Their Plurality is THREE yet THEY are ECHAD/One

Scripture will Speak as One Elohim = translated as "one God"

Question for everyone on here = Why does Scripture Speak as from one Person perspective???

Note:
1.) No one on this forum or in all the world can fully understand exactly What Elohim consists of.
2.) We are given understanding from Above via the FATHER, Word(Jesus), Holy Spirit THROUGH the Scriptures of Truth.
3.) We are also given understanding from the very Creation which reveals the "Godhead" = His BEING = Romans 1:18-20

Understanding of Who Elohim(God) is REQUIRES Faith in the Scriptures = "It is Written" = Hebrews 11:3

"By faith we understand the universe to have been formed by the Word of God,
so that the things being seen have not been made from the things being visible."

 

[DavidTree]

same flesh, God is a "Spirit" . PLEASE LISTEN, the ECHAD of God is in Designations of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

TIME: beginning and end, PLACE: Father and Son. ORDER: First and Last. RANK: LORD and LORD.

This is too easy.

101G.

the ECHAD of God is in Designations of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

Not found in Scripture

Elohim is not subject to His creation = "all things created by HIM and for HIM"

 

[DavidTree]

Good, then you reject the Lord Jesus, just as 101G thought. anti Christ. .... (smile) lol, YIKES!

Now, to all others, @DavidTree

the plurality of God is not in cardinal numbers, no but in Ordinal numbers. Listen. picture in your mind an elevator in a building with five floors. you enter the building. and wanted to go to the fifth floor. do you press floor 2 and floor 3 to get to the fifth floor? no one just press the fifth floor button. see the difference between Cardinal number vs Ordinal numbers .

understand Cardinal number show sums. Ordinal Numbers show designation. again, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

one here is a designation in TIME, in ORDER, in PLACE, in RANK. for the ONE, or ECHAD is in designations.

let's see this designation in TIME. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
BINGO, "TO COME". ...... in TIME, in the RANK, of Lord, in the ORDER, Last, in the Place, (in flesh) , Son.

now let 101G make a statement. the Lord Jesus the .... "CHRIST" .... Made NOTHING IN THE "BEGINNING", but JESUS DID.... (smile), see you cannot understand this can you. because the Christ, (FLESH and BLOOD) was not at Genesis 1:26... hence the HE, at Genesis 1:27.

101G

Elohim defines Elohim as Cardinal Number 3 = Genesis 1:1-3

1In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.

3Then Elohim Said/Word, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

THREE verses that Identify THREE = the GOSPEL Begins in Genesis 1:1-3

Elohim, as in Ordinal, is THREE as well = the FATHER sent the SON whom the HOLY SPIRIT RESTED Upon

 

[DavidTree]

the ECHAD of God is not in flesh, but Spirit. LISTEN, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Form here is the Greek term
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
See also: G3445, G3446, G4832

notice definition #2. NATURE, Spirit..... so what kind of Spirit.... answer, "EQUAL WITH". the Root of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. answer. Listen,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).

Question, WHAT IS ANOTHER WORD FOR "PORTION?", answer "SHARE", the Lord Jesus in flesh is the EQUAL SHARE of God in Flesh .... this is the ECHAD of God plurality. BINGO, the "EQUAL SHARE" of HIMSELF in flesh...... common on think people.

101G.

the SPIRIT is THREE = Cardinal 3 and because THEY are EQUAL the Ordinal can rotate, as it does in Scripture.
When it pertains to the Word becoming Flesh, the Ordinal of the Cardial 3 takes Place = which is the GOSPEL unto SALVATION

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit(1), if indeed the Spirit of God(2) dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ(3), he is not His(Echad)

 

[DavidTree]

"WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

That is the Catholic logic when they say and he knew her not until......... To prove that Mary stayed a virgin because I had weeks of that one and no matter what commentary, including the Catholic Bishops said they proved... beyond doubt...that until meansthat is the end. It stops there.

Yopu have too many areas in the bible that have them separated. That even you cannot make one from.

But I will ask you this.

IF
the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

Who did resurrect Jesus?

After all... In the tomb God would have been dead... for a while anyway

Post 289 UPdated

 

[MTMattie]

Good, then you reject the Lord Jesus, just as 101G thought. anti Christ. .... (smile) lol, YIKES!

Now, to all others, @DavidTree

the plurality of God is not in cardinal numbers, no but in Ordinal numbers. Listen. picture in your mind an elevator in a building with five floors. you enter the building. and wanted to go to the fifth floor. do you press floor 2 and floor 3 to get to the fifth floor? no one just press the fifth floor button. see the difference between Cardinal number vs Ordinal numbers .

understand Cardinal number show sums. Ordinal Numbers show designation. again, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

one here is a designation in TIME, in ORDER, in PLACE, in RANK. for the ONE, or ECHAD is in designations.

let's see this designation in TIME. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
BINGO, "TO COME". ...... in TIME, in the RANK, of Lord, in the ORDER, Last, in the Place, (in flesh) , Son.

now let 101G make a statement. the Lord Jesus the .... "CHRIST" .... Made NOTHING IN THE "BEGINNING", but JESUS DID.... (smile), see you cannot understand this can you. because the Christ, (FLESH and BLOOD) was not at Genesis 1:26... hence the HE, at Genesis 1:27.

101G

I think you make number 14.... Therefore no cigar.

 

[DavidTree]

@101G says: "now let 101G make a statement. the Lord Jesus the .... "CHRIST" .... Made NOTHING IN THE "BEGINNING", but JESUS DID.... (smile), see you cannot understand this can you. because the Christ, (FLESH and BLOOD) was not at Genesis 1:26... hence the HE, at Genesis 1:27."

Thank you for the evidence you gave that exposes the error of modalism, which you are clinging to!

the Word who was with Elohim and was Elohim was not the "flesh" but the Spirit

the Word became flesh and His flesh body was given a Name that tells us Who exactly was residing in that Flesh Body

 

[MTMattie]

@101G

Not only are you impossibly impossible to understand with your jumping all around to describe or define something that I do not think you understand even,

I will take my time with this..... And if this one does not help you then I have others to share and we will keep right at it until there is one thing definite that you can see. Both below are written for clarity of understanding,
From Kehila News Israel

The meaning of the word Echad – One​

Starting with Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel, YHVH our God is ONE (Echad)
The relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit has been a point of discussion for almost 2000 years.

In Malachi 3:6 we read that YHVH does not change. Therefore the key to understanding the relationship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can be found in the above verse Deuteronomy 6:4.

To employ that key we must look at the original language of the text where YHVH is described as One.

The verse is the basis of the Shema which is the fundamental statement of faith for the Jewish people.

Most non Messianic Jews have a big problem with the Christian concept of a triune God.

Are you with us so far?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The next is very important.

The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad.

Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part.

There is another Hebrew word from the same root – Yachid which means single. The meaning of Echad (more than one part) is a confirmation of the Hebrew word Elohim which is translated as God. Elohim is a plural word – more than one being called God

There is one more clear proof of the truine nature of the God of Israel.

Isaiah 48:16 And now YHVH and His Ruach (Spirit) have sent Me (an eternal person speaking in verse 12 and 16 – Yeshua)

Three entities can be clearly seen in that verse. The nature of God is a mystery, but we can clearly see that although God is Echad, He is much more than that –

He is Echad and He is Elohim – Hallelu YAH

The LORD bless you and keep you as you seek Biblical truth and incorporate it into your spiritual life.

The meaning of the word Echad - One

David writes, "The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part. There is another Hebrew word from the same root - Yachid which means...

news.kehila.org

WORD STUDY – ONE, ECHAD OR YACHID - Chaim Bentorah

WORD STUDY – ONE, ECHAD OR YACHID Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:” “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than dreamt of in your philosophy.” Shakespeare Hamlet Act I, Scene 5 I try not to deal with theology as that is an area […]

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#2. So if that does not convince you let us move one
Cause this one is more into the explanations

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• Daily Hebrew Word Study

WORD STUDY – ONE, ECHAD OR YACHID​

by Chaim & Laura | Jan 15, 2017 | Devotionals | 1 comment

WORD STUDY – ONE, ECHAD OR YACHID



Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:”



“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than dreamt of in your philosophy.”

Shakespeare Hamlet Act I, Scene 5



I try not to deal with theology as that is an area outside my expertise. However, I have been called to question on my rendering of the word echad (one) in Hebrew as a collective one which leaves the door open for the doctrine of the Trinity.



I was raised to believe in the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I believe in the Trinity because I believe the Bible teaches a Trinity and, well, that was the way I was taught from earliest childhood. There are many who do not believe in a Trinity and I will not condemn them because, for the most part, they like me cannot explain it or understand it.



I mean on the one hand we cannot say there are three Gods when the Bible clearly says there is only one God. To believe in three separate and distinct Gods is a heresy known as tritheism. Yet, to believe in only one God performing three separate functions as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is also a heresy known as modalism monarchianism. That is to say I am one person but I am also Chaim the Author, the Professor and the Minister, in other words I perform three different functions or offices but I am still one person.



So you say, “Where is the middle ground?” I have no idea. All I can say is to quote Shakespeare where Hamlet says to his friend Horatio. “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than dreamt of in your philosophy.” Basically, that is saying that man’s knowledge is limited. One thing that was made clear when I was a student at Moody Bible Institute is that we are not saying three gods equal one God, for that is a contradiction. What we are saying is that three persons equal one God and that makes it a paradox rather than a contradiction. A paradox according Webster is a statement or proposition that seems self contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.



One argument that is very common among those who deny the Trinity is based upon the word echad or one in the Jewish Confession or Shema. “Hear, O Israel the Lord our God is one Lord.” Deuteronomy 6:4. Literally in the Hebrew it is the YHWH (Lord) Elohenu (God of us or our God) is Echad YHWH (One Lord). So the paradox of the Trinity is still possible within this verse. However, one may point to the word echad and will say: “Lookie here, that word means one, and only one, not a collective type of one.” I used to consider the word echad as a collective one but I never really had much credible grounds to declare this. So during my studies of the ancient Jewish masters, I searched this out and this is what I found among the teachings of the ancient Jewish masters as to what echad really means.



Most Christian Hebrew teachers tend to teach that echad means one, like its English equivalent for one. They say that the word does not preclude the existence of other objects (as in the sequence “one, two, three . . .”), nor does it preclude its object being composed of parts (we speak of “one nation,” “one forest,” “one person” and “one tree,” despite the fact that each of these consists of many units or components). In other words to take this position on the word echad we could not even teach the possibility of God in three persons. Yet the Jewish masters give an even deeper and more clarifying understanding of the word echad. Remember the Jews are the guardians of the Hebrew language and the Old Testament. I personally believe the teachings of the ancient Jewish master with regard to the Biblical and Classical Hebrew will trump any teachings on the Christian understanding of the Biblical and Classical Hebrew. If you disagree, read no further.



First let me point out that there are two words for one in Hebrew. You have echad which is one and you have yachid which is also one. However, keep in mind that the Jewish masters teach that there are no synonyms in the Classical or Biblical Hebrew. If you have two words meaning the same thing, you must search to find that shade of difference between the two words as they are seemingly the same but in its nature carries certain differences.



I draw upon the teachings based upon Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson who discusses the difference between echad and yachid.



”It would seem that the term yachid, which means ‘singular’ and ‘only one,’ more clearly expresses the ‘perfect simplicity’ of G‑d (which Maimonides states to be the most fundamental principle of the Jewish faith) and the axiom that “there is none else besides Him” (Deuteronomy 4:35).

Chassidic teaching explains that, on the contrary, echad represents a deeper unity than yachid. Yachid is a oneness that cannot tolerate plurality—if another being or element is introduced into the equation, the yachid is no longer yachid. Echad, on the other hand, represents the fusion of diverse elements into a harmonious whole. The oneness of echad is not undermined by plurality; indeed, it employs plurality as the ingredients of unity.

As one chassidic thinker once put it, G‑d did not have to create a world to be yachid. He was singularly and exclusively one before the world was created, and remains so after the fact. It was to express His echad-ness that He created the world, created man, granted him freedom of choice, and commanded him the Torah. He created existences that, at least in their own perception, are distinct of Him, and gave them the tools to bring their lives into utter harmony with His will. When a diverse and plural world chooses, by its own initiative, to unite with Him, the divine oneness assumes a new, deeper expression: G‑d is echad.” Based on the teachings of Lebavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson; adapted by Yanki Tauber published in Week in Review.

Note that the rabbinic teaching declares that echad represents the fusion of diverse elements into a harmonious whole. The oneness of echad is not undermined by plurality; indeed, it employs plurality as the ingredients of unity. Thus, even within the most orthodox Jewish teachings the word echad carries the idea of plurality in unity. I personally feel that by this orthodox Jewish definition of echad, we are not contradicting Scripture with the teachings of a Trinity as understood in our classical orthodox theology. If Deuteronomy were to destroy the doctrine of the Trinity it would have had to use the word yachid not echad.

 

[101G]

"one person" is the stumbling block of monotheistic Jewish tradition and the premise of @101G thinking
"one person" is the stumbling block of jw
"one person" is the stumbing block of Islam

no, one person is your stumbling block, because of your IGNORANCE of the Hebrew term "ECHAD".

Genesis chapter 1 immediately identifies Elohim is Plural and Their Plurality is THREE yet THEY are ECHAD/One

7th. ERROR of the day, Listen and Learn, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
these two words "beginning", and "God" defines the GODHEAD as one person in the ECHAD of TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK. lets see it.
God: it's the Hebrew term,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
STOP! ..... H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is the [plural of H433] STOP and THINK. if H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is the plural of H433 ... who is H433? let's see.

H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426
[?]

Again, NOTICE H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. is the PLURAL of, of, of, of, H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. now if this is separate and distinct person, one has two or more "GOD"s not Person, but "GODS. because God is a, a, a, a, Spirit meaning "ONE" person and H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is a plurality of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. meaning it's the same one person who is God or else one have two or more, "GODS". for the preposition of means, 1. Belonging or relating to someone or something. 2. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole:

Now if Jesus the Christ is God then as the trinity say is a second person, and H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is a plurality of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. meaning it's the same one person who is God or else one have two or more, "GODS". because "OF" means 1. Belonging or relating to someone or something. 2. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. so definition #1. want work because the trinity states Jesus the christ is a second separate and distinct person. so, as a person he cannot be OF God who is H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. so, the Lord Jesus must qualify in the second definition, 2. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole.
by saying the Lord Jesus is separate and distinct, then a PART of God or the WHOLE of God wand qualify either if separate and distinct. for when someone say God is a PART, now God is divided and that's anti bible. so, that leaves "WHOLE". as in the WHOLE of God in a PLURALITY. but how is that? answer, God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself, or he is the ECHAD of himself. BINGO. can we see this "EQUAL SHARE" in scripture? yes, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

the term "FORM" means,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
See also: G3445, G3446, G4832

BINGO, there is our answer, the root of the word, which is,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.
3. (as an adverb) partly, in part.
4. (as a participle) participating (i.e. the act of taking part in).
5. a piece (i.e. a limited portion).
6. (of location) a district.
7. (of livelihood) an occupation (i.e. as ones' portion in life).
8. a portion in Jesus (see John 13:8).
{literally or figuratively, in a wide application}
[from an obsolete but more primary form of μείρομαι mȇírȏmai “to get as a section or allotment”]
KJV: behalf, course, coast, craft, particular (+ -ly), part (+ -ly), piece, portion, respect, side, some sort(-what)

there is that WHOLE in Genesis 1:1 a portion, and another word for PORTION is "SHARE", again, there is the WHOLE, God is the EQUAL SHARE, the EQUAL WHOLE of himself. ..... not two separate and distinct persons or two Spirits but the same PERSON, and the same Spirit, "EQUALLY SHARED".

this is why the Lord Jesus is called the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of, of, of, of, God. let's see it in scripture, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." NOTICE "Spirit" in both cases are capitalized, indicating the SAME "ONE" Spirit, meaning the SAME "ONE" Person.

the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God or else one have two Spirits and that my friends is Polytheism.

NOW the term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1
Beginning:
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

note definition #2. 1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

no, one person is your stumbling block, because of your IGNORANCE of the Hebrew term "ECHAD".

7th. ERROR of the day, Listen and Learn, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
these two words "beginning", and "God" defines the GODHEAD as one person in the ECHAD of TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK. lets see it.
God: it's the Hebrew term,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
STOP! ..... H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is the [plural of H433] STOP and THINK. if H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is the plural of H433 ... who is H433? let's see.

H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426
[?]

Again, NOTICE H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. is the PLURAL of, of, of, of, H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. now if this is separate and distinct person, one has two or more "GOD"s not Person, but "GODS. because God is a, a, a, a, Spirit meaning "ONE" person and H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is a plurality of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. meaning it's the same one person who is God or else one have two or more, "GODS". for the preposition of means, 1. Belonging or relating to someone or something. 2. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole:

Now if Jesus the Christ is God then as the trinity say is a second person, and H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m is a plurality of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. meaning it's the same one person who is God or else one have two or more, "GODS". because "OF" means 1. Belonging or relating to someone or something. 2. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. so definition #1. want work because the trinity states Jesus the christ is a second separate and distinct person. so, as a person he cannot be OF God who is H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. so, the Lord Jesus must qualify in the second definition, 2. expressing the relationship between a part and a whole.
by saying the Lord Jesus is separate and distinct, then a PART of God or the WHOLE of God wand qualify either if separate and distinct. for when someone say God is a PART, now God is divided and that's anti bible. so, that leaves "WHOLE". as in the WHOLE of God in a PLURALITY. but how is that? answer, God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself, or he is the ECHAD of himself. BINGO. can we see this "EQUAL SHARE" in scripture? yes, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

the term "FORM" means,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
See also: G3445, G3446, G4832

BINGO, there is our answer, the root of the word, which is,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.
3. (as an adverb) partly, in part.
4. (as a participle) participating (i.e. the act of taking part in).
5. a piece (i.e. a limited portion).
6. (of location) a district.
7. (of livelihood) an occupation (i.e. as ones' portion in life).
8. a portion in Jesus (see John 13:8).
{literally or figuratively, in a wide application}
[from an obsolete but more primary form of μείρομαι mȇírȏmai “to get as a section or allotment”]
KJV: behalf, course, coast, craft, particular (+ -ly), part (+ -ly), piece, portion, respect, side, some sort(-what)

there is that WHOLE in Genesis 1:1 a portion, and another word for PORTION is "SHARE", again, there is the WHOLE, God is the EQUAL SHARE, the EQUAL WHOLE of himself. ..... not two separate and distinct persons or two Spirits but the same PERSON, and the same Spirit, "EQUALLY SHARED".

this is why the Lord Jesus is called the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of, of, of, of, God. let's see it in scripture, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." NOTICE "Spirit" in both cases are capitalized, indicating the SAME "ONE" Spirit, meaning the SAME "ONE" Person.

the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God or else one have two Spirits and that my friends is Polytheism.

NOW the term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1
Beginning:
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

note definition #2. 1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.

101G.

Change your name to 'burger king' because you always want it to be 'your way'.

i follow "the Way, the Life, the Truth, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME" = 3

 

[101G]

same flesh, God is a "Spirit" . PLEASE LISTEN, the ECHAD of God is in Designations of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

TIME: beginning and end, PLACE: Father and Son. ORDER: First and Last. RANK: LORD and LORD.

This is too easy.

101G.

the ECHAD of God is in Designations of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

Not found in Scripture

Elohim is not subject to His creation = "all things created by HIM and for HIM"

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SEE AOVE, .... (smile) Post 297.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

Not found in Scripture

Elohim is not subject to His creation = "all things created by HIM and for HIM"

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SEE AOVE, .... (smile) Post 297.

101G.

SEE Post 298