The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

Right. Since you do not believe Jesus then you have not found the true God.
you can read "You believe in God; believe in Me as well..." like a basic math problem because "as well" means "in addition to." So there is a belief in God and there is a belief in Jesus. 1 belief + 1 belief = 2 beliefs. Scripture explicitly states that belief in God and Jesus are separate and distinct. I know these things and your arguing against Scripture all the time isn't going to make this change.
 
again you promote a new, novel, gnostic, private doctrine as if all Christians misunderstood God before you came around. That is too prideful and presumptuous on your part. You have to use a new grammar of Greek that rejects all scholarship. Nor will you evaluate your interpretation in view of strong scholarly study. That admits your doctrine is protectively private and personal instead of truly investigated.
Unitarianism is just a modern theological name for the earliest view on the Judeo Christian God which has historically been strictly monotheistic about a one person God. This isn't new, novel, or gnostic. Perhaps your ignorance of how God has been historically viewed by we Christians is all this is.
 
Unitarianism is just a modern theological name for the earliest view on the Judeo Christian God which has historically been strictly monotheistic about a one person God. This isn't new, novel, or gnostic. Perhaps your ignorance of how God has been historically viewed by we Christians is all this is.
uh. you have no support for your supposed finding of ancient roots. If you are a Jew who never came to recognize Jesus, I guess I can understand how you continue to deny him.
 
you can read "You believe in God; believe in Me as well..." like a basic math problem because "as well" means "in addition to." So there is a belief in God and there is a belief in Jesus. 1 belief + 1 belief = 2 beliefs. Scripture explicitly states that belief in God and Jesus are separate and distinct. I know these things and your arguing against Scripture all the time isn't going to make this change.
DUhh on what Jesus said. If you cannot believe he who perfectly reflects the image of the Father, you cannot accept the Father. Maybe you heard that Jesus walked among humanity as a man. You assume that he would have to go to everyone and say "I am God." That would have been further rejection of his ministry. You have to reject that Jesus is the Son of God such that you only take it as some accidental claim by him.
 
uh. you have no support for your supposed finding of ancient roots. If you are a Jew who never came to recognize Jesus, I guess I can understand how you continue to deny him.
Yes the Bible does describe God as a singular person consistently from cover to cover, e.g., God is a He who created alone, the Father is the only true God, etc. That's strict monotheism and leaves no room for a three person God. You are the one who does not even have a single reference to God being defined as a trinity.
 
DUhh on what Jesus said. If you cannot believe he who perfectly reflects the image of the Father, you cannot accept the Father. Maybe you heard that Jesus walked among humanity as a man. You assume that he would have to go to everyone and say "I am God." That would have been further rejection of his ministry. You have to reject that Jesus is the Son of God such that you only take it as some accidental claim by him.
Belief in God and Jesus aren't the same things. Once you are able to accept this then you be ready to accept what the rest of the Bible says. As of right now, you are not even ready for the pure and simple milk of the word.
 
No, they are not circular, they are quite simple.

Three individual persons described with relationships with each other and creation who all have divine attributes and are described in a strong unity.

It's all you need.
 
No, they are not circular, they are quite simple.

Three individual persons described with relationships with each other and creation who all have divine attributes and are described in a strong unity.

It's all you need.
The Bible explicitly states God is one person who created alone. I can quote it and I have many times, but not many seem to believe it. Do you feel that your beliefs trump what Scripture says?
 
The Bible explicitly states God is one person who created alone.

Chapter and verse. It absolutely does not anywhere.

"One" does not default to "one person," they are not semantically equal.

Neither does "alone" nor singular pronouns, because grammar allows corporate entities referred to in a singular sense.

I can quote it and I have many times

You cannot, because it does not exist, lol.
 
Chapter and verse. It absolutely does not anywhere.

"One" does not default to "one person," they are not semantically equal.

Neither does "alone" nor singular pronouns, because grammar allows corporate entities referred to in a singular sense.



You cannot, because it does not exist, lol.
Yes the Bible explicitly and directly states God is a singular person who created alone. Can't miss it. Actually it says this repeatedly, but to keep this concise and to the point I will begin with one example.

God referred to Himself as an I, not a we or us, meaning God identifies Himself as as singular person, not a group who created together, but someone who created alone.

Isaiah 44
24Thus says the LORD,
your Redeemer who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD,
who has made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who by Myself spread out the earth,
 
Yes the Bible explicitly and directly states God is a singular person who created alone. Can't miss it. Actually it says this repeatedly, but to keep this concise and to the point I will begin with one example.

God referred to Himself as an I, not a we or us, meaning God identifies Himself as as singular person, not a group who created together, but someone who created alone.

Isaiah 44
24Thus says the LORD,
your Redeemer who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD,
who has made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who by Myself spread out the earth,
If you mean that no other gods were involved, then you are correct. If you deny who the Triune God is, you have not shared a passage to deny that the said God is a sole entity in his essence.
 
Yes the Bible explicitly and directly states God is a singular person who created alone. Can't miss it. Actually it says this repeatedly, but to keep this concise and to the point I will begin with one example.

Your supposed "proof text" is decidedly missing the one word you need to actually prove your point.

"Person."

God referred to Himself as an I, not a we or us, meaning God identifies Himself as as singular person, not a group who created together, but someone who created alone.

No, it is not "meaning" that. You are "asserting" that. Grammar dictates that singular corporate pronouns exist.

Your just ignoring that fact does not make it go away.
 
If you mean that no other gods were involved, then you are correct. If you deny who the Triune God is, you have not shared a passage to deny that the said God is a sole entity in his essence.
Technically the "triune god" is not even a topic in Scripture. We shouldn't even be entertaining what ifs and conjecture.
 
Your supposed "proof text" is decidedly missing the one word you need to actually prove your point.

"Person."



No, it is not "meaning" that. You are "asserting" that. Grammar dictates that singular corporate pronouns exist.

Your just ignoring that fact does not make it go away.
In every dictionary, language, culture, and religion throughout recorded history, singular personal pronouns refer to one person in every context. I have did my job showing where the Bible explicitly states plainly, clearly, and directly that God is just one person who created alone.

If you disagree, care to explain how the language is wrong or should be interpreted differently?
 
Technically the "triune god" is not even a topic in Scripture. We shouldn't even be entertaining what ifs and conjecture.
so now you consider the scripture as all conjectural. More surprises from the unitarian. The unitarian does not allow someone to explain how scripture testimony is not contradictory. So he or she leaves it in unresolved contradiction. You have left the scripture in confusion within your system of belief or you reduce meaning to meaninglessness.

You will not even carefully listen to the best exposing of your failed novel, minority, errant doctrines because you are protective of them rather than being open to the truth.
 
so now you consider the scripture as all conjectural. More surprises from the unitarian. The unitarian does not allow someone to explain how scripture testimony is not contradictory. So he or she leaves it in unresolved contradiction. You have left the scripture in confusion within your system of belief or you reduce meaning to meaninglessness.

You will not even carefully listen to the best exposing of your failed novel, minority, errant doctrines because you are protective of them rather than being open to the truth.
You can drop the act about the trinity being Scriptural. Just speak what you know to be true. The trinity is never mentioned or described in the Bible. It's not Biblical.
 
You can drop the act about the trinity being Scriptural. Just speak what you know to be true. The trinity is never mentioned or described in the Bible. It's not Biblical.
You then are saying the bible is unbiblical and should be left in utter confusion so you can be protected in your unbelief about who Jesus is.
 
You then are saying the bible is unbiblical and should be left in utter confusion so you can be protected in your unbelief about who Jesus is.
Stringing together a verse here, a verse there, redefining what words means, introducing new words and terminology, denying what Scriptural already plainly states about the Father's exclusive deity does not make the trinity Biblical. The trinity is never mentioned in the Bible either in word or description. As I said, drop the act.
 
Stringing together a verse here, a verse there, redefining what words means, introducing new words and terminology, denying what Scriptural already plainly states about the Father's exclusive deity does not make the trinity Biblical. The trinity is never mentioned in the Bible either in word or description. As I said, drop the act.
I realized you were talking about your process of reading the bible -- stringing verses together to get an alternative bible interpretation. Then you say God is not described in the Bible either.

Your only task to prove against the testimony of the deity of Christ in scripture is to show that scripture is inaccurately speaking of that.
 
I realized you were talking about your process of reading the bible -- stringing verses together to get an alternative bible interpretation. Then you say God is not described in the Bible either.

Your only task to prove against the testimony of the deity of Christ in scripture is to show that scripture is inaccurately speaking of that.
The burden of proof is on you. I have already provided all of the scriptural citations regarding the Father's exclusive deity, Jesus being an exalted and glorified man, and God being a single person who created alone. The issue is you reject what the Bible plainly says in favor or your beliefs.

This is why you would attempt to shift the burden of proof to me. The Bible provides no statements about Jesus being God Almighty, God incarnate, a member of a trinity idol, etc. As I said, the trinity isn't even worth discussing since it shouldn't even be a topic in Christianity, but here we are.
 
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