The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[Peterlag]

It is written “the Son can do nothing of his own accord"...

We read in John 5:19 “the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.” Jesus repeated that in several different ways. “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge… because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me” (John 5:30). “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me” (John 7:16). “I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me” (John 8:28). “For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak” (John 12:49). Jesus would not have needed to be directed by his Father if he was God, and co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

 

[synergy]

It is written “the Son can do nothing of his own accord"...

We read in John 5:19 “the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.” Jesus repeated that in several different ways. “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge… because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me” (John 5:30). “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me” (John 7:16). “I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me” (John 8:28). “For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak” (John 12:49). Jesus would not have needed to be directed by his Father if he was God, and co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

It is written "Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

You conveniently skipped over why Jesus does nothing “of Himself”. He went on to elaborate “but only what He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.” The claim is mind blowing extraordinary, no purely human can truthfully say that whatever the Father does, he does likewise. This is a claim to identical Divine Activity, not limitation of power. The verse speaks to role and relational order, not essence/nature.

Furthermore, only a few verses after the “can do nothing” statement, Scripture commands that “all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.” That is a blasphemous statement for all unitarians to honor Jesus as God. You're in a real pickle now.

 

[synergy]

You're missing it still. Look at the statement that says "the true worshipers will worship the Father." In simple logic, since worshiping the Father is what constitutes a true worshiper, then when Jesus defined God as a Spirit who requires "spirit and truth worshipers" worship just as the Father does, then Jesus is saying the Father is the Holy Spirit. You can't change it.

I will take your inability to address this with coherent Biblical replies as you having lost a debate on the trinity again.

Now that we have proven the Father is the Spirit, things will actually start making sense.

Here's another example:

Paul taught that only the Spirit knows the thoughts of God. Paul's statement is heretic if there is a trinity since he excluded Father and Son. As previously proven, the Father is the Spirit. The Spirit (the Father) knows the thoughts of God only, because the Father is the Spirit (John 4:23,24)

1 Corinthians 2
11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

If the Father is the Holy Spirit, then passages where Jesus sends or pours out the Holy Spirit (John 15:26; Acts 2:33) would mean He is pouring out the Father Himself. You seriously want to go with that?

Likewise, the Spirit “interceding” to the Father (Romans 8:26–27) would become the Father interceding to Himself. You seriously want to go with that also?

It would also make Jesus’ baptism incoherent—where the Spirit descends, and the Father speaks from heaven (Matthew 3:16–17)—since one person (the Father) would have to be two actors (the Father and Holy Spirit) at once in mutually interactive roles.

Stop putting yourself into one pickle after another by ditching your heresies and by coming over to the Truth which is Trinitarianism.

 

[Peterlag]

Two thousand years of trinitarian theology...​

and there isn't a single reference to a Trinity in Scripture. I wonder if there will be many that never received the spirit because they never received the Christ having believed he did not even exist. It's hard to imagine someone knowing who I am if they think I'm God. The Old Testament referred to the Messiah as the servant of God, and we see this in Isaiah 52-53, which speaks of the suffering and death of the Messiah when referring to the Messiah as God’s “servant.”

They called King David God’s “servant” when the disciples prayed to God in Acts 4:25 and later in that same prayer they called Jesus “your holy servant” (Acts 4:30). They equated the Messiah as a servant of God just like David was rather than referring to Jesus as if he was God himself. There are many verses indicating that the power and authority Jesus had was given to him by the Father. Jesus Christ would have always had those things that the Scripture says he was “given” if he was the eternal God. Christ was:

• • Given “all authority” Matthew 28:18).
  • Given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).
  • Given work to finish by the Father (John 5:36).
  • Given those who believed in him by the Father (John 6:39, 10:29).
  • Given glory (John 17:22, 24).
  • Given his “cup” [his torture and death] by the Father (John 18:11).
  • “Seated” at God’s own right hand (Ephesians 1:20-21).
  • “Appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22).

 

[Runningman]

If the Father is the Holy Spirit, then passages where Jesus sends or pours out the Holy Spirit (John 15:26; Acts 2:33) would mean He is pouring out the Father Himself. You seriously want to go with that?

Likewise, the Spirit “interceding” to the Father (Romans 8:26–27) would become the Father interceding to Himself. You seriously want to go with that also?

It would also make Jesus’ baptism incoherent—where the Spirit descends, and the Father speaks from heaven (Matthew 3:16–17)—since one person (the Father) would have to be two actors (the Father and Holy Spirit) at once in mutually interactive roles.

Stop putting yourself into one pickle after another by ditching your heresies and by coming over to the Truth which is Trinitarianism.

Don't overthink it and try to find ways around it. Is there a reason why you deny what John 4:23,24 says? I think you, as a trinitarian, you should at least try to give the appearance of agreeing with what the Bible says instead of always trying to argue around it and impose your philosophy on it. The only true God is the Father, who is Spirit according to Jesus, just say so plainly.

 

[Runningman]

Two thousand years of trinitarian theology...​

and there isn't a single reference to a Trinity in Scripture. I wonder if there will be many that never received the spirit because they never received the Christ having believed he did not even exist. It's hard to imagine someone knowing who I am if they think I'm God. The Old Testament referred to the Messiah as the servant of God, and we see this in Isaiah 52-53, which speaks of the suffering and death of the Messiah when referring to the Messiah as God’s “servant.”

They called King David God’s “servant” when the disciples prayed to God in Acts 4:25 and later in that same prayer they called Jesus “your holy servant” (Acts 4:30). They equated the Messiah as a servant of God just like David was rather than referring to Jesus as if he was God himself. There are many verses indicating that the power and authority Jesus had was given to him by the Father. Jesus Christ would have always had those things that the Scripture says he was “given” if he was the eternal God. Christ was:

• • Given “all authority” Matthew 28:18).
  • Given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).
  • Given work to finish by the Father (John 5:36).
  • Given those who believed in him by the Father (John 6:39, 10:29).
  • Given glory (John 17:22, 24).
  • Given his “cup” [his torture and death] by the Father (John 18:11).
  • “Seated” at God’s own right hand (Ephesians 1:20-21).
  • “Appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22).

For as long as trinitarians held the Bible captive I am surprised we even have access to it at all. The Bible says a lot of things contrary to the trinity which is probably why they didn't make it available for public use for centuries. I salute the trinitarians who risked their life to get the Bible published, reproduced, and made public but they only exposed the Catholic and Protestant church as frauds in doing so. Now we don't have to take their word for it when they are droning on about their religion, we can actually compare whatever they say to the Bible and see that the bulk majority of their vocabulary, teachings, and phrases are found no where in the Bible.

 

[Peterlag]

For as long as trinitarians held the Bible captive I am surprised we even have access to it at all. The Bible says a lot of things contrary to the trinity which is probably why they didn't make it available for public use for centuries. I salute the trinitarians who risked their life to get the Bible published, reproduced, and made public but they only exposed the Catholic and Protestant church as frauds in doing so. Now we don't have to take their word for it when they are droning on about their religion, we can actually compare whatever they say to the Bible and see that the bulk majority of their vocabulary, teachings, and phrases are found no where in the Bible.

Not only do I wonder if many trinitarians will miss heaven. But I wonder if some of them are on this site who fight me tooth and nail and always with a nasty cunning way.

 

[Runningman]

Not only do I wonder if many trinitarians will miss heaven. But I wonder if some of them are on this site who fight me tooth and nail and always with a nasty cunning way.

They treat you like that because you are exposing them and they resent you for speaking the truth. And you are difficult to debate because your statements actually match what the Bible says. Most of the responses I see are dismissive of what the Bible says, denials, or a resort to insults, etc. Be glad you can't see my private messages. I'll quote one of them here:

"I have chosen to ignore you and your blasphemous BS. I didn't really believe in evolution until I came met you.
It's peanut brain Gentile people like you that gives Christianity a black eye. Glad I'm Jewish Have another ham sandwich for the road and make sure to wear your pager!
Oh by the way, thank you for providing transportation for Yeshua's mother Mary. Everyone knows that Joseph walked and Mary rode an ***.