Can a thing create itself? No. It is completely impossible for something to make itself out of nothing. What does John 1:3 say? It says that the Logos of God (which John 1:1 says IS God) was responsible for creating EVERYTHING that was created. That means that the Logos of God CANNOT be a created thing. Then John 1:14 and following tells us that the Logos of God took on flesh and became a man; the man we know as Jesus.
You're going to need to read what you're talking about closer before repeatedly building upon error.
First off, it doesn't say that the Word is the Creator. Observe in John 1:1-3 the vocabulary and grammar being used.
1. The Word is not the same God the Word is with. Most trinitarians say this is the Father and Son.
2. The God the Word is with the last God mentioned in John 1:2
3. John 1:3 says "All things were made through
him" with "
him" referring back to the previously mentioned God.
4. The previously mentioned God is not the Word, therefore all things were not made through the Word.
5. This is basic reading comprehension, elementary level pronoun-antecedent agreement,.
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
These are immutable facts, and they prove that Jesus is the Logos of God, which makes Jesus God.
You have lost your point about the Word being Creator. You're going to need to go back to the drawing board and somehow find a way to change it, but I will let you know ahead of time, you won't be allowed to do if you try.
You have yet to point out an error of mine. You have demonstrated your lack of belief of the Truth.
You demonstrate severe and permeating ignorance built upon lies.
The three are equal in power, glory, purpose, will. But the Son has willingly subjected Himself to the will of the Father, and He gave up the independent use of His power, His knowledge, His glory for the time that He was on Earth as a human.
Not they are not equal in power. Are you aware that Jesus had no ability to do miracles until God empowered him? Jesus isn't God, rather Jesus is a man empowered by God, and God was with Jesus, not that God is Jesus:
Acts 10
37you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed:
38how
God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil,
for God was with him.
Because Scripture says that He was. As pointed out above, Jesus is the Logos of God which was responsible for creating EVERYTHING that was made, which means that He CANNOT be a created being (and ONLY God is eternal). Jesus claimed to be God in passages like John 8:58, John 10:30, 33, Rev 21:6, Rev 22:12-13. Further, there are numerous places in Scripture where Jesus is said to be God, like Tit 2:13, John 20:28, Heb 1:8, Isa 9:6, 1 John 5:20, and others.
You must be misunderstanding those since Jesus denied being God in Mark 10:18, Jesus proclaimed the Father is the true God alone in John 17:3, Paul confirmed the only God for us is the Father in 1 Cor 8:6 and in 1 Cor 8:4 Paul defined the Shema as the Father only. There is 1 Timothy 2:5 that indicates Jesus is not the same party as God, but rather a mediator. There is John 14:1 in which Jesus proved that belief in God is not the same thing as belief in himself. John only taught people to worship the Father in John 4:23,24, and only ever taught people to pray to the Father in Matt 6:6,9. No one every said Jesus participated in his own resurrection in all of Scripture. There are numerous examples of Jesus not being omniscient, not being omnipresent, not being omnipotent, proving that he lacks the divine attributes that the Father has. Paul opened all of his letters proclaiming the Father is the God of Jesus, meaning that Jesus is a man with a God just like everyone else. Furthermore, Jesus is not inherently immortal and required a Savior to save him just like we all do according to Hebrews 5:7. Jesus is never called eternal in the Bible and there are no examples of him existing prior to his birth. With all of that in mind, your story is sheer fiction; a biblical impossibility. To tie it all together, no one ever defined God as a trinity anywhere in the Bible. Your version of God is an idol, a fake god, impotent and mute. I highly recommend you repent of your idolatry.
John 1:14 tells us that the Logos of God (which is God (John 1:1)) left Heaven, took on flesh, and became a man we know as Jesus. John 17:5 tells us that Jesus was with God before Creation, and had the same glory as God at that time.
Read John 1:1-3 again following what was just revealed to you above. Also John 17:5 doesn't say in which way Jesus pre-existed. There are no examples of him in the Old Testament for you to cite to support your narrative. Your point ends right there at a dead end with no further examples to source.
Phil 26:-8 tells us that Jesus started in the same nature as the Father, but emptied Himself and took on flesh.
It mentions no such thing. Begin with Philippians 2:5 in which Paul was telling the church to have the same mind as Jesus. After that, Paul told them how to have the mind of Jesus. It would be nonsense if Jesus were God that Paul was teaching people how to have the mind of God.
1 John 4:2 tells us that to deny that Jesus came in the flesh (was incarnate God) is to deny God and be Antichrist.
This verse mentions no such thing. You are making the error of importing your personal beliefs into the verse and projecting a pre-existence where none is mentioned. "Coming in the flesh" refers to being there in person, nothing more, and it is used of others in the Bible as well. Also, Meriam-Webster defines "in the flesh" as in person and alive
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/in the flesh
There are no sources who agree with you aside from trinitarian propagandists.
If you believe that then you are not reading Scripture properly. I demonstrated in each case how each of those passages states that Jesus is God.
You're going to have a very hard time changing the Biblical narrative. You will find your error was exposed already.
Sure there are others who say, "I am ..." all through Scripture. It is not the fact that Jesus said, "I am ..." that makes Him God. It is the fact that He said, "I am." Period. He didn't say He was (something). He said, "I AM", I EXIST. Jesus also said, "I am the light". That makes Him God, not because of the "I am" statement, but because God is light (1 John 1:5) and if Jesus is "the light" then He is God.
You don't know enough about Scripture to be telling anyone what it says. Your "God is light" and "Jesus is light" example is false because Jesus said believers are the light as well in Matt 5:14 "You are the light of the world."
Your error is that you don't know where the light comes from. We will go back to John 1 again, to verse 9, which says "The true Light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world."
Following the chronology of John 1, the true Light was coming into the world after Jesus was already a man and had been alive about 30 years at that point. John 1:9 proves that Jesus is a man who received light just as others received light.
No, there is no one other than Jesus that is one with the Father. We, the saints, will become one with the Father after the Resurrection, but we are not one with Him now.
Yes there is.
John 17
21that
all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.
May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that
they may be one as We are one—
1 Corinthians 6
17But
he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit.
Scripture doesn't say that Jesus was in the beginning and the end. It says He IS the beginning and the end. He is the source of everything that is. Everything is held together and has its existence because of Him.
Alpha and omega, beginning and end, first and last, all essentially mean the same things. Let me ask you to help clear up your misunderstandings. How does the First and Last die if the First and Last is God?
Revelation 1
17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid.
I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.
He did not deny equality with God. He said that the Father is greater than He. That is a term of submission, meaning that He has subjected His own will to the will of the Father. It does not mean that the Father is more powerful than Jesus, or that Jesus is not God.
Yes he denied equality with God. The Father is greater than Jesus, since greater, they are not equal. You can't change it.
Again, you demonstrate your lack of discernment. Daniel 7 shows that Jesus is indeed God. No, He is not on the Throne in that prophecy, but it is not the throne that makes God God. It is God that makes the throne. Jesus stepped down from the Throne (His rightful place), and took on the form of a servant (as a man), and was submissive to the Father even unto the death of His body (His spirit never ceased to be (1 Pet 3:19)).
Now that Daniel 7 has proven that Jesus isn't the one on the throne nor inherently possessed sovereignty over the kingdom, we know that someone with greater authority than Jesus gave it to him, which in the context of Daniel 7 we know is the ancient of days. Means Jesus isn't God.
He was indeed fully human, fully like mankind in every way. But that does not stop Him from being fully God as well.
Jesus proved that Jesus isn't God.
You are the only person I know that can break up a paragraph which contains within it's context one subject and respond to each sentence as though they all meant something different!
