Before He became human, He was the Word that is God.
And being in the nature of God never ceased, when He became flesh, He emptied Himself the form of God and take the likeness of man to offer His blood as the Word is bloodless being God.
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And being in the nature of God never ceased, when He became flesh, He emptied Himself the form of God and take the likeness of man to offer His blood as the Word is bloodless being God.
Yes, the Word that is God cannot die and bloodless, that is why to save mankind He became flesh.
Emptied Himself the form of God and take the likeness of man to shed His blood to give hope of eternal life to all in faith.
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My belief is : Jesus, the Son stated his Father was the only true God.
For God (which is the Father) so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, (which is Jesus Christ) that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
So, I'm applying the FACT that the Father is the ONLY TRUE God.
If you really did that, you would call Jesus Lord and God
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Runningman
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Going to put you on pause for a moment.
The Bible says "The Word became flesh" so the Word is flesh. If the Word is God, and the Word is flesh, then God died. This is the pickle you all find yourself in again, and again, and again because you don't understand what you're reading.
The one who is the sin sacrifice isn't God at all, but rather a sinless man, because "The Word that became flesh" is what was sacrificed.
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Man was created in THREE = Body, Soul, Spirit = Hebrews 4:12
When a man dies, only his physical flesh body dies and goes back to the earth from where it came = Matt 10:28
If the man was SAVED, his soul & spirit remain intact and he ascends to GOD who created him = Matt 22:32
If the man did not receive Salvation, his spirit returns to God who gave it but the soul of the man remains separated from GOD until Judgment Day = Revelation 20:11-15
The Word that was GOD was NOT created = only a physical body was "prepared" inside Mary for the WORD to enter into this world as flesh = Hebrews 10:5
Only the flesh body of JESUS/WORD died on the Cross = "FATHER into your hands I commit MY Spirit"
The Body remained DEAD on the Cross while the WORD/Spirit returned into the spiritual realm where flesh & blood cannot go.
John 17:1-5 , 1 Peter 3:19
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Runningman
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In the Bible, Jesus' body, soul, and spirit died and were resurrected. He didn't continue living on after death nor did he immediately return to his God.
After Jesus was crucified, his soul went to the grave: Acts 2:27
Jesus' soul was sacrificed: Isaiah 53:10
Jesus' spirit also died and was resurrected: 1 Peter 3:5
This means when Jesus died, everything who Jesus is was dead because the soul is not inherently immortal. Only God is invisible and immortal (1 Timothy 1:17) while Jesus is not invisible nor inherently immortal (Colossians 1:15) and is himself one of God's creations (Revelation 3:14) because the "Word became flesh" means Jesus was created, not that God incarnated. Jesus didn't participate in his own resurrection, but instead required God to be his Savior and resurrect him (Hebrews 5:7) after that he was taken to heaven, not under his own power, where he was commanded to take a temporary seat beside YHWH.
Psalm 110
1 The LORD said to my Lord:
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”
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Is your belief that being God not eternal?
The Word that created all things or gave birth to the earth and the world is eternal being God, as the "Word was God." (Psa 90:2, John 1:1c)
That's why He emptied Himself the form of God and take the likeness of men to shed blood for our hope of salvation.
The word "emptied" with Strong#G2758, in Greek "κενόω kenoō" Thayer Lexiocn defined it as means - he laid aside equality with or the form of God, and etc.
While Mounce Lexicon defined it as - to divest one’s self of one’s prerogatives, etc.
That is, of His own free will He laid aside the bloodless form of God , and took the nature of a servant the likeness of flesh and blood as man, to accomplish the plan of salvation by shedding His blood.
Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
Php 2:7 but N1 R1emptiedG2758 HimselfG1438, takingG2983 the formG3444 of a R2bond-servantG1401, and R3beingG1096 madeG1096 in the likenessG3667 of menG444.
G2758
κενόω kenoō
Thayer Definition:
1) to empty, make empty
1a) of Christ, he laid aside equality with or the form of God
G2758
κενόω kenoō
5x: to empty, evacuate; ἑαυτόν, to divest one’s self of one’s prerogatives, abase one’s self, Php_2:7; to deprive a thing of its proper functions, Rom_4:14; 1Co_1:17; to show to be without foundation, falsify, 1Co_9:15; 2Co_9:3.
Already explained above.
amazing grace
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Nope. Jesus was a man. He didn't pretend to be a man, He was a man, a human being.
Jesus, as the Christ, as the Son of God, who is a human being, said his Father was the only true God.
DavidTree
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If JESUS were only 'a man' you remain dead in your sins, as does the whole world!!!
The fact that JESUS is the Son of GOD, goes beyond JESUS being only 'a man.'
amazing grace
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Jesus wasn't 'ONLY' a man.....He was the GREATEST of ALL human beings!
He was UNIQUE in that he was conceived by a virgin through the power of God!
He was UNIQUE in that he NEVER SINNED but lived a PERFECT life in TOTAL SUBMISSION and OBEDIENCE to GOD, his FATHER. God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus bearing the title 'Son of God' does not mean he is God.
DavidTree
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How can a mere man, or even a "unique man", "never sin"???
Runningman
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The Philippian 2 explanation you have provided doesn't jive with the context. Begin with Philippians 2:5 where Paul said "Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus:" and I might add it ends with a colon in every English translation. When a colon is used in a sentence it introduce something that explains, clarifies, or gives examples of what comes before it. So when a list comes after a colon it means “Here is what I’m talking about.”
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
Here is what Paul is talking about:
1. existing in the form of God
2. did not consider equality with God something to be grasped
3. emptied himself
4. taking the form of a servant
5. made in human likeness
6. being found in appearance as a man
7. he humbled himself
8. became obedient to death, even death on a cross.
So was Paul telling the church of Philippi to believe they are God, like you seem to be suggesting, or was Paul telling them to have the kind of mind that is humanly attainable and reasonable to have? What the reasonable conclusion is here is that Paul was not trying to say Jesus is God, Paul was teaching the Philippians how to be like Jesus because he's a human as Paul explicitly stated in Philippians 2:7,8. Doesn't make sense if Jesus is God.
amazing grace
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Jesus knew his purpose was to be the redemption of humanity - to fix what Adam's disobedience did.
His commitment and faithfulness to being submissive and obedient to his Father - commitment and faithfulness to accomplish what his Father sent him to do and through the power of the holy spirit with which he was anointed and given without measure.
What would be the purpose of tempting God who cannot be tempted?
What would be so unique or special about God not sinning?
Runningman
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Excellent self-control and a good upbringing? That's why everyone called him the Son of God. Wow, he's sinless, who else could he have learned that from? Jesus must have learned how to be sinless from the Father. That's why they call God Jesus' Father.
Just like Jesus who did not sin, we too are commanded to abstain from sin to be sons and daughters of God:
1 John 3
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
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'although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered'......Heb. 5:8
For every high priest chosen from among men is appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.......So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him .......
Just as every high priest is chosen from among men, Jesus had to be a man, who was appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God. Jesus also did not exalt himself to be made a high priest but God appointed him.
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If that could Save anyone, then JESUS death was a mute point.
If Jesus were just a man, he would of been conceived and born in sin = already contaminated with sin
