The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?

[jeremiah1five]

I don't believe anything that you believe. There's no such thing as God the son.

That's probably because I believe the Bible. And yes, God has a Son. He is the only begotten Son of God, the Second Person of the Trinity.

 

[Peterlag]

Rather odd then what even john writes to the church about he who beleives JESUS IS THE SON of GOD .
peter , you lagging far behind the apostel peter . You aint muslim justifying are ya .
He who beleives JESUS is the SON of GOD . try reading some bible for YOU . for you my friend .
And do repeat after me , the muslims do not know GOD , love GOD , follow GOD at all .
Of course i am not saying you do say the muslims and us worship the same GOD either . But
i do know what inclusivity is tryingto do to the church and i just hope you dont get caught up in its false love . that is all i am saying my friend .

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[Peterlag]

You must not have read the Bible. Pay more attention to what the Bible says and not what anyone else says.

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[Peterlag]

That's probably because I believe the Bible. And yes, God has a Son. He is the only begotten Son of God, the Second Person of the Trinity.

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

I don't listen to any of them other than to understand their position. I make my own decisions.

Do you?

I can easily tell that you only have a very poor understanding of what your saying. I believe what I believe because of facts and morally reasoned educated conclusions.

Anyone that starts with "there isn't a single verse in the Bible" that says such and such..... usually has never extensively searched the Scriptures.

Why would the Scriptures reference any English word? There is not a single English manuscript that contains any English words from the hands of the original authors?

It is rather silly statement to begin with that doesn't even pass a basic logic test.

 

[Peterlag]

I don't listen to any of them other than to understand their position. I make my own decisions.

Do you?

I can easily tell that you only have a very poor understanding of what your saying. I believe what I believe because of facts and morally reasoned educated conclusions.

Anyone that starts with "there isn't a single verse in the Bible" that says such and such..... usually has never extensively searched the Scriptures.

Why would the Scriptures reference any English word? There is not a single English manuscript that contains any English words from the hands of the original authors?

It is rather silly statement to begin with that doesn't even pass a basic logic test.

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son in any manuscript or in any language penned by the original authors and that makes me one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet when in comes to the biblical understanding of the resurrected Christ.

 

[DavidTree]

Now , my near and dear friend , you are on to something huge and yet very simple even a child could grasp it .
Notice that abraham was called out . Now the lineage was of shem , but i sure didnt notice ALL of shem
getting called out . A key , the flesh profits nothing.
WHEN abraham was called was it in circumsion or still in uncircumsion , according to the law .
WHAT did abraham DO that pleased GOD . and HE Did it WHEN . WHEN STILL in uncircumcision .
Circumcision was the sealer that came after THE FAITH . Abraham HAD HIM SOME FAITH . HIMS BELEIVED GOD .
Abraham was not called out because he was of SHEM , though that was the Son of noah by whom the Israel would emerge from .
BUT still many of shem , for shem and all his descendants had many families , it was abraham alone that was called .
KEY . THIS was the doing of the LORD and not of man .
Not of all israel , who came later through Issac and rebekaah , IS OF ISRAEL .
YOUSEE , the flesh dont amount to squat when it cometh to WHAT GOD DESIRES .
The father and mother of gentiles were adama and eve , WHO were the also the father and mother of even Israel .
BUT , what really matters my friend .
WAS GOD pleased with even those who came of abraham , who later came of jacob , who was later named Israel .
NO SIR . Now GOD seemed pleased with something abraham did , and something even jacob did
and later even others , LIKE KING david did . THEM folks had hearts for GOD . now none of them were perfect
and i am sure evil was present in all their flesh . BUT SOMETHING THEY DID SEEMED TO PLEASE GOD .
THEY SEEMED TO BELEIVE GOD . Thus they obeyed GOD . sure we know king david slipped here and there .
BUT that same KING david also repented WHEN he wasSHOWN his error .
A heart after GOD . And as abraham , as later the prophets , as even king david hadseen
A PROMISE that would fullfilll all things and reconcile man back to GOD , A SEED , a savoir
a King was coming . AND THEY BELEIVED IT . the key is
WHOM do we believe . Sheep have existed even before CHRIST came and sheep existed during his walk on earth
and sheep existed through all generations , even today we gots sheep in the house .
GUESS WHO THEY BELIEVE , IN GOD , IN JESUS THE CHRIST whom the FATHER SENT
and guess what they know , THE FLESH OF MAN WILL NEVER PROFIT a man , whether one be born
of the flesh according to the lineage of abraham or if one be born of the gentile . NOT a darn thing
profits them on how they were born of a man and a woman , but rather , IS ONE and has ONE BEEN BORN AGAIN .
IN OTHER WORDS , ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME cause nothing else matters .

Not of all israel , who came later through Issac and rebekaah , IS OF ISRAEL .

This is not accurate according to Scripture

ISRAEL came about thru Jacob = this is MOST IMPORTANT for your understanding.

 

[e v e]

every word God speaks is valid now, affecting each soul of His.

The bible texts are corrupt, evil words mixed in.

 

[DavidTree]

I don't listen to any of them other than to understand their position. I make my own decisions.

Do you?

I can easily tell that you only have a very poor understanding of what your saying. I believe what I believe because of facts and morally reasoned educated conclusions.

Anyone that starts with "there isn't a single verse in the Bible" that says such and such..... usually has never extensively searched the Scriptures.

Why would the Scriptures reference any English word? There is not a single English manuscript that contains any English words from the hands of the original authors?

It is rather silly statement to begin with that doesn't even pass a basic logic test.

"morally reasoned educated conclusions."

What is that?

Can you define that?

 

[e v e]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

the septuagint is a sorcery text. The corruption goes to any written down text. Earlier than vatican.

Sin nature is this flesh body and this earth.

 

[DavidTree]

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son in any manuscript or in any language penned by the original authors and that makes me one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet when in comes to the biblical understanding of the resurrected Christ.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
John 1:18

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Strong's Lexicon No one οὐδεὶς (oudeis) Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3762: No one, none, nothing. has ever seen ἑώρακεν (heōraken) Verb - Perfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 3708: Properly, to stare at, i.e. to discern clearly; by extension, to attend to; by Hebraism, to experience; passively, to appear. πώποτε (pōpote) Adverb Strong's Greek 4455: At any time, ever. From po and pote; at any time, i.e. at no time. God, Θεὸν (Theon) Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very. [but the] one and only Son, μονογενὴς (monogenēs) Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3439: Only, only-begotten; unique. From monos and ginomai; only-born, i.e. Sole. [ who is Himself ] God Θεὸς (Theos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very. [and] ὁ (ho) Article - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. is ὢν (ōn) Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist. at εἰς (eis) Preposition Strong's Greek 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases. the τὸν (ton) Article - Accusative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. Father’s Πατρὸς (Patros) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3962: Father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior. Apparently a primary word; a 'father'. side, κόλπον (kolpon) Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2859: Apparently a primary word; the bosom; by analogy, a bay. has made [Him] known. ἐξηγήσατο (exēgēsato) Verb - Aorist Indicative Middle - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 1834: To lead, show the way; met: I unfold, narrate, declare. From ek and hegeomai; to consider out, i.e. Rehearse, unfold. Parallel Strong's Berean Study Bible No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known. Young's Literal Translation God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father—he did declare. Holman Christian Standard Bible No one has ever seen God.The One and Only Son — the One who is at the Father’s side — He has revealed Him. New American Standard Bible No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him]. King James Bible No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. Parallel Verses New International Version No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. New Living Translation No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us. English Standard Version No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. New American Standard Bible No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. King James Bible No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Holman Christian Standard Bible No one has ever seen God. The One and Only Son-- the One who is at the Father's side-- He has revealed Him. International Standard Version No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him. NET Bible No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known. American Standard Version No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him . English Revised Version No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Young's Literal Translation God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare. ​

 

[e v e]

There was no God in Christ around with Adam because Jesus was born thousands of years later.

Jesus is God's son, who literally came to this dungeon earth to help us. He came the same way we did, through the evil realm torture, and animal-flesh incarnation which is seen in Daniel's oven text, also in hieroglyphs.

Adam betrayed God and with the satanic realm, created this earth and flesh body. Also in hieroglyphs.

Eden and the evil realm regions are not dimensionally even on this earth so there's that.

The lucifer chapter is about Adam.


The bible texts are corrupt.

 

[DavidTree]

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That time is here, now and not in the future!

Many posts on these forums are a crying shame of the harsh reality of 2 Timothy 4:3

 

[Peterlag]

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
John 1:18

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Strong's Lexicon No one οὐδεὶς (oudeis) Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3762: No one, none, nothing. has ever seen ἑώρακεν (heōraken) Verb - Perfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 3708: Properly, to stare at, i.e. to discern clearly; by extension, to attend to; by Hebraism, to experience; passively, to appear. πώποτε (pōpote) Adverb Strong's Greek 4455: At any time, ever. From po and pote; at any time, i.e. at no time. God, Θεὸν (Theon) Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very. [but the] one and only Son, μονογενὴς (monogenēs) Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3439: Only, only-begotten; unique. From monos and ginomai; only-born, i.e. Sole. [ who is Himself ] God Θεὸς (Theos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very. [and] ὁ (ho) Article - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. is ὢν (ōn) Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist. at εἰς (eis) Preposition Strong's Greek 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases. the τὸν (ton) Article - Accusative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. Father’s Πατρὸς (Patros) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3962: Father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior. Apparently a primary word; a 'father'. side, κόλπον (kolpon) Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2859: Apparently a primary word; the bosom; by analogy, a bay. has made [Him] known. ἐξηγήσατο (exēgēsato) Verb - Aorist Indicative Middle - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 1834: To lead, show the way; met: I unfold, narrate, declare. From ek and hegeomai; to consider out, i.e. Rehearse, unfold. Parallel Strong's Berean Study Bible No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known. Young's Literal Translation God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father—he did declare. Holman Christian Standard Bible No one has ever seen God.The One and Only Son — the One who is at the Father’s side — He has revealed Him. New American Standard Bible No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him]. King James Bible No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. Parallel Verses New International Version No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. New Living Translation No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us. English Standard Version No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. New American Standard Bible No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. King James Bible No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Holman Christian Standard Bible No one has ever seen God. The One and Only Son-- the One who is at the Father's side-- He has revealed Him. International Standard Version No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him. NET Bible No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known. American Standard Version No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him . English Revised Version No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Young's Literal Translation God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare. ​

KJV... "the only begotten Son," It does not say "who is Himself God"

 

[DavidTree]

KJV... "the only begotten Son," It does not say "who is Himself God"

Well, let's do a little cranium jello jiggle wiggle to WAKE UP to Righteous Thinking that leads to LIFE.

Since God is a Spirit, and the Word was with God in the Beginning, and the Word was God - that would make the WORD the SAME Spirit as God!!!

That SAME Spirit came to earth and was placed inside a human body for the purpose of SAVING mankind from their sins!

John 1:14 - And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father,
full of grace and truth.

Dwell on this for tonight and pray that you WAKE UP to it in the morning!

Good Night

 

[e v e]

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this sounds like channeling.

 

[e v e]

KJV... "the only begotten Son," It does not say "who is Himself God"

kjv is a sorcery text.

 

[synergy]

kjv is a sorcery text.

Is there any text that is not "sorcery text" in your opinion?

 

[Peterlag]

Well, let's do a little cranium jello jiggle wiggle to WAKE UP to Righteous Thinking that leads to LIFE.

Since God is a Spirit, and the Word was with God in the Beginning, and the Word was God - that would make the WORD the SAME Spirit as God!!!

That SAME Spirit came to earth and was placed inside a human body for the purpose of SAVING mankind from their sins!

John 1:14 - And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father,
full of grace and truth.

Dwell on this for tonight and pray that you WAKE UP to it in the morning!

Good Night

You went off the rail on the second line. The Word is not a Spirit. Nor is Spirit a God. Spirit is what God is.

John 1:14
The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.

 

[e v e]

what a horrible view of God.