When was the End of the Old Covenant and the Beginning of the New Covenant?

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the same covenant has always been in place..
Return to Him to His Eden paradise...

He is restoring His land to us
lost after the fall and restoring us to
His type of nature , the original body He made for us , lost after the fall.

We are born into this satanic not made by God! realm with its fallen carnal mindset.
The whole earth lies in wickedness, under the headship of satan.

there is no part of 'this earth' dungeon that is good..

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

This is a bad translation. I'm not a fan of any KJV.
Messianic Jews (Hebrews) 8:13
By using the term "new," he has made the first covenant "old" ; and something made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.
Rabbinic commentary:
By using the term, "new" he has made the first covenant "old." Is one to infer that the Jewish holidays, Shabbat, kashrut, civil laws, and moral laws of the Mosaic Covenant are on the verge of vanishing altogether?
NO! The Mosaic Covenant presents itself as eternal. The "old" Torah continues, and continues to have its same purpose, but there is now a new High Priesthood introduced.
Shalom

The old covenant , torah , prophets does have a purpose . TO bring them to CHRIST .
for if one truly COULD HEAR the law and the prophets they will BELIEVE ON HE of whom THEY SPOKE . JESUS THE CHRIST .
but many hear not the law , hear not moses or the prophets
even though they might still be read . ONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD
if they hear not the prophets , the law , torah , THEY WILL NOT believe even though one rose from the dead .
ITS VERY CLEAR who the law , prophets and etc POINTED TOO . and the sheep
knew it . many kings and prophets have waited to see what you see and to hear what you hear ........
many sheep died in faith having not yet receieved the promise . BUT THEY SURE DID BELIEVE
in this coming SAVOIR of ISRAEL . KING CHRIST .
Many jews , and even the wicked muslim religoins
can claim to be of abraham , claim to hear moses , BUT IT IS DARN certain they do not .
FOR them voices POINTED TO JESUS THE CHRIST and yet they DO NOT BELIEVE ON HIM .

 

[dwight92070]

This is a bad translation. I'm not a fan of any KJV.
Messianic Jews (Hebrews) 8:13
By using the term "new," he has made the first covenant "old" ; and something made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.
Rabbinic commentary:
By using the term, "new" he has made the first covenant "old." Is one to infer that the Jewish holidays, Shabbat, kashrut, civil laws, and moral laws of the Mosaic Covenant are on the verge of vanishing altogether?
NO! The Mosaic Covenant presents itself as eternal. The "old" Torah continues, and continues to have its same purpose, but there is now a new High Priesthood introduced.
Shalom

Hebrews 7:12 NASB says: "For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also." So once again, you are mistaken. The Old Covenant is gone. The Aaronic priesthood is gone. The ark of the covenant is gone. The temple is gone. Animal sacrifices are gone. The necessity to keep the Sabbath is gone. The necessity to keep Jewish holidays is gone. The necessity for males to travel to Jerusalem 3 times a year is gone. The civil laws and the moral laws of the Old Covenant, (which are essentially good laws, because God created them) are gone. Neither the Jews nor the Gentiles - as a nation or nations - are living under a theocracy here on earth.

I can't believe that I read on one of your posts: "If you're not a Jew, you're not my brother." Talk about racism! You are not my Christian brother or a disciple of Jesus with that sinful attitude.

 

[David Koberstein]

Hebrews 7:12 NASB says: "For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also." So once again, you are mistaken. The Old Covenant is gone. The Aaronic priesthood is gone. The ark of the covenant is gone. The temple is gone. Animal sacrifices are gone. The necessity to keep the Sabbath is gone. The necessity to keep Jewish holidays is gone. The necessity for males to travel to Jerusalem 3 times a year is gone. The civil laws and the moral laws of the Old Covenant, (which are essentially good laws, because God created them) are gone. Neither the Jews nor the Gentiles - as a nation or nations - are living under a theocracy here on earth.

I can't believe that I read on one of your posts: "If you're not a Jew, you're not my brother." Talk about racism! You are not my Christian brother or a disciple of Jesus with that sinful attitude.

You are very ignorant of the Tanakh. All the covenants have NO expiration date. Your attitude and knowledge is the typical Christian response. The Shabbat is on the 7th day of week and is a direct commandment to keep it holy as noted in the 10 commandments. Yeshua kept this commandment. There is no such commandment for worshipping and keeping Sunday holy. We keep the Jewish holidays as did Yeshua. We do not celebrate Christmas and Easter because they are connected to pagan holidays. If you think Yeshua was born on December 25th, then I'm the next future pope. The Old Covenant is as relevant today as the New Covenant. The Torah is the foundation for all of God's Word. If you think the Old Covenant is gone why don't you rip it out or remove it from your Bible? Yeshua didn't come to destroy the law (Torah), but to fulfill it.The civil or moral laws of the Old Covenant are still valid. Our country was built upon some of those laws. According to the Jewish Didache (church manual of the early church) this laws are still valid today. Christianity was born out of Judaism not the other way around. You need to study the Tanakh and Jewish culture before you give out misinformation and disinformation to others.
Shalom

 

[dwight92070]

You are very ignorant of the Tanakh. All the covenants have NO expiration date. Your attitude and knowledge is the typical Christian response. The Shabbat is on the 7th day of week and is a direct commandment to keep it holy as noted in the 10 commandments. Yeshua kept this commandment. There is no such commandment for worshipping and keeping Sunday holy. We keep the Jewish holidays as did Yeshua. We do not celebrate Christmas and Easter because they are connected to pagan holidays. If you think Yeshua was born on December 25th, then I'm the next future pope. The Old Covenant is as relevant today as the New Covenant. The Torah is the foundation for all of God's Word. If you think the Old Covenant is gone why don't you rip it out or remove it from your Bible? Yeshua didn't come to destroy the law (Torah), but to fulfill it.The civil or moral laws of the Old Covenant are still valid. Our country was built upon some of those laws. According to the Jewish Didache (church manual of the early church) this laws are still valid today. Christianity was born out of Judaism not the other way around. You need to study the Tanakh and Jewish culture before you give out misinformation and disinformation to others.
Shalom

And you are ignorant of the inspired, God-breathed New Testament/New Covenant. I did make one mistake, however, which I would like to correct. I said that the moral laws of the Old Testament are gone. That is partially true, since there has been a change of law - Hebrews 7:12, but God's moral standard never changed, either before, during, or after the Law. That is why 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament. The Sabbath commandment is not repeated because it is a ceremonial law. The other 9 laws are moral laws, which reveal God's eternal moral standard - therefore they are commanded in the New Covenant. But all of the other ceremonial, civic and dietary laws have been declared obsolete with the arrival of Jesus and the New Covenant. The Sabbath Day was a ceremonial law, not a moral law. Therefore it is not commanded in the New Testament. Nor is Sunday worship a command in the New Testament. Under the New Covenant, everyday is alike and we should worship Him 24/7. Circumcision was not a moral law - it was also ceremonial and the New Testament does not command it to be kept. In Acts 15, the Judaizers were upsetting new believers, saying that they must be circumcised, in order to be saved. The Jerusalem council, which included Peter, Paul, Barnabas, and James, decided that circumcision was NOT necessary, in order to be a Christian. Paul said in Romans 8:2-4:

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.(the Law of Moses) For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

We are no longer under the Old Covenant, but we are not lawless, in the sense that we keep the Law of Christ. Any command of His, we must do. He said, "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you." Matthew 28:20 The Old Covenant Mosaic Law was not bad - Paul even called it good, since God was the author of it. But God Himself planned that when Jesus came, that Law would be obsolete. Hebrews 8:13 God used that Law as a schoolmaster or tutor to bring the Jews to Christ. Galatians 3:24-25 But now that faith has come, Paul said, we are no longer under a tutor."

Also, just about all of the New Testament writers quote or allude to the Old Covenant, not because we are still under that Covenant, but because Paul said that "ALL Scripture is inspired by God (including the Old Covenant) and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16 For that reason, we do not "rip it out or remove it from our Bibles."

Actually, you need to study the New Testament before you give out misinformation. If we're still under the Old Covenant, then do you advocate stoning someone who works on the Sabbath Day? Or stoning an adulterer or adulteress? Do you still take 3 trips every year to Jerusalem? Without the temple, there's no way any Jew can fully keep the Law. But that's okay, because God has something better for them. God Himself did away with the Old Covenant when He judged Israel in 70 A.D. and had the Romans destroy the temple and Jerusalem and He scattered the surviving Jews all over the world. He did, however, spare those Jews who accepted Jesus as their Messiah. That was their judgment because the Jews, for the most part, rejected Jesus, their Messiah. Jesus Himself said, "Therefore (because the builders rejected the stone, which became the chief corner stone - Psalm 118:22) I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you (the Jews) and given to a nation, producing the fruit of it." In 1 Peter 2:9, Peter identified the New Testament church as that nation that was given the kingdom of God. Peter said the church or the body of Christ is that Holy nation, that chosen race, that royal priesthood, a people for God's own possession. Obviously believing Jews are part of that Holy nation, along with believing Gentiles. He NEVER rejected the believing Jews. In fact, He warned them ahead of the destruction of Jerusalem, to flee to the mountains. History tells us that they did just that and were saved from that awful judgment in 70 A.D. Through Jesus, the believing Jews and the believing Gentiles have become one body. Ephesians 2:11-22

The civic laws were given to Israel because their true King was God - Israel lived under a theocracy. No nation today lives under a theocracy and probably never will. The New Covenant does not command a theocracy - either for Jews or Gentiles. Yes, our country was built on some of those laws, but not all of them, because we are not a theocracy, nor is Israel any longer.

 

[dwight92070]

I forgot to give you this reference. Matthew 21:43 It's quoted in the 2nd to the last paragraph, where Jesus says that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews, and given to a nation producing the fruit of it.

 

[David Koberstein]

And you are ignorant of the inspired, God-breathed New Testament/New Covenant. I did make one mistake, however, which I would like to correct. I said that the moral laws of the Old Testament are gone. That is partially true, since there has been a change of law - Hebrews 7:12, but God's moral standard never changed, either before, during, or after the Law. That is why 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament. The Sabbath commandment is not repeated because it is a ceremonial law. The other 9 laws are moral laws, which reveal God's eternal moral standard - therefore they are commanded in the New Covenant. But all of the other ceremonial, civic and dietary laws have been declared obsolete with the arrival of Jesus and the New Covenant. The Sabbath Day was a ceremonial law, not a moral law. Therefore it is not commanded in the New Testament. Nor is Sunday worship a command in the New Testament. Under the New Covenant, everyday is alike and we should worship Him 24/7. Circumcision was not a moral law - it was also ceremonial and the New Testament does not command it to be kept. In Acts 15, the Judaizers were upsetting new believers, saying that they must be circumcised, in order to be saved. The Jerusalem council, which included Peter, Paul, Barnabas, and James, decided that circumcision was NOT necessary, in order to be a Christian. Paul said in Romans 8:2-4:

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.(the Law of Moses) For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

We are no longer under the Old Covenant, but we are not lawless, in the sense that we keep the Law of Christ. Any command of His, we must do. He said, "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you." Matthew 28:20 The Old Covenant Mosaic Law was not bad - Paul even called it good, since God was the author of it. But God Himself planned that when Jesus came, that Law would be obsolete. Hebrews 8:13 God used that Law as a schoolmaster or tutor to bring the Jews to Christ. Galatians 3:24-25 But now that faith has come, Paul said, we are no longer under a tutor."

Also, just about all of the New Testament writers quote or allude to the Old Covenant, not because we are still under that Covenant, but because Paul said that "ALL Scripture is inspired by God (including the Old Covenant) and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16 For that reason, we do not "rip it out or remove it from our Bibles."

Actually, you need to study the New Testament before you give out misinformation. If we're still under the Old Covenant, then do you advocate stoning someone who works on the Sabbath Day? Or stoning an adulterer or adulteress? Do you still take 3 trips every year to Jerusalem? Without the temple, there's no way any Jew can fully keep the Law. But that's okay, because God has something better for them. God Himself did away with the Old Covenant when He judged Israel in 70 A.D. and had the Romans destroy the temple and Jerusalem and He scattered the surviving Jews all over the world. He did, however, spare those Jews who accepted Jesus as their Messiah. That was their judgment because the Jews, for the most part, rejected Jesus, their Messiah. Jesus Himself said, "Therefore (because the builders rejected the stone, which became the chief corner stone - Psalm 118:22) I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you (the Jews) and given to a nation, producing the fruit of it." In 1 Peter 2:9, Peter identified the New Testament church as that nation that was given the kingdom of God. Peter said the church or the body of Christ is that Holy nation, that chosen race, that royal priesthood, a people for God's own possession. Obviously believing Jews are part of that Holy nation, along with believing Gentiles. He NEVER rejected the believing Jews. In fact, He warned them ahead of the destruction of Jerusalem, to flee to the mountains. History tells us that they did just that and were saved from that awful judgment in 70 A.D. Through Jesus, the believing Jews and the believing Gentiles have become one body. Ephesians 2:11-22

The civic laws were given to Israel because their true King was God - Israel lived under a theocracy. No nation today lives under a theocracy and probably never will. The New Covenant does not command a theocracy - either for Jews or Gentiles. Yes, our country was built on some of those laws, but not all of them, because we are not a theocracy, nor is Israel any longer.

You really like to mix truth with ignorance. I have studied the B'rit Hadashah more than you and others. Fake and ignorant Christians are in vogue today more than ever. I have to consider your post, are your opinions. And we know what opinions are? A famous Rabbi once said that even though God's Word is inspired and God breathed, but there are sure a lot of human finger prints on it. I will let you figure that one out and see if the shoe fits. Actually the New Covenant is a modified version of the Old Covenant. Your Christian Bible has a partition in it the separates the Old Testament from the New Testament. The Messianic Jewish Bibles has no partition in it dividing the Old and New Testament. We consider the Bible has one complete book. Nothing obsolete in God's Word. Why are you so hypocritical? If you so believe the Torah (law,instruction) is obsolete. Why don't you remove it from your Christian Bible? But you won't do it. You said you made one mistake in your previous post. You need to multiply that by 100. Matthew 21:43 Yeshua is not saying the Christians will replace the Jews as God's people, as many Christians teach. Rather, he is warning that Jewish leaders who do not look after God's interests will be deprived of sharing in His rulership; and this tasks, with its rewards, will fall to a different group of Jewish leaders, the Messianic Jewish talmidim (disciples) caring for Yeshua's Messianic Community. (Messianic Jewish Commentary). Your the average Charlie Christian that mis represents God's Word to others. It's no wonder the membership in evangelical churches has been declining for the last 20 years. People see through the charade, legalism and just plain phoniness. You need to study the Jewish Didache which is the manual of the early New Testament church. It reflects the prohibitions of the Torah and the Jewish writers of the B'rit Hadashah (New Testament). God's principles are timeless, culture-less and non negotiable. They are not obsolete.
Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

Hebrews 7:12 NASB says: "For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also." So once again, you are mistaken. The Old Covenant is gone. The Aaronic priesthood is gone. The ark of the covenant is gone. The temple is gone. Animal sacrifices are gone. The necessity to keep the Sabbath is gone. The necessity to keep Jewish holidays is gone. The necessity for males to travel to Jerusalem 3 times a year is gone. The civil laws and the moral laws of the Old Covenant, (which are essentially good laws, because God created them) are gone. Neither the Jews nor the Gentiles - as a nation or nations - are living under a theocracy here on earth.

I can't believe that I read on one of your posts: "If you're not a Jew, you're not my brother." Talk about racism! You are not my Christian brother or a disciple of Jesus with that sinful attitude.

the "moral laws" remain

 

[DavidTree]

You are very ignorant of the Tanakh. All the covenants have NO expiration date. Your attitude and knowledge is the typical Christian response. The Shabbat is on the 7th day of week and is a direct commandment to keep it holy as noted in the 10 commandments. Yeshua kept this commandment. There is no such commandment for worshipping and keeping Sunday holy. We keep the Jewish holidays as did Yeshua. We do not celebrate Christmas and Easter because they are connected to pagan holidays. If you think Yeshua was born on December 25th, then I'm the next future pope. The Old Covenant is as relevant today as the New Covenant. The Torah is the foundation for all of God's Word. If you think the Old Covenant is gone why don't you rip it out or remove it from your Bible? Yeshua didn't come to destroy the law (Torah), but to fulfill it.The civil or moral laws of the Old Covenant are still valid. Our country was built upon some of those laws. According to the Jewish Didache (church manual of the early church) this laws are still valid today. Christianity was born out of Judaism not the other way around. You need to study the Tanakh and Jewish culture before you give out misinformation and disinformation to others.
Shalom

The Shabbat is on the 7th day of week and is a direct commandment to keep it holy as noted in the 10 commandments. Yeshua kept this commandment.

As a child and until His Ministry began = YES

Once His Ministry began HE introduced the New Covenant = IAM
Elohenu Avraham Elohenu Yitzchak Elohenu Yacov

Nothing from the OC is equal to or above Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = LORD of the Sabbath

You can look diligently in the Gospels and the Apostles writings = no commandment is given for saturday sabbath

IMPORTANT = sunday did not replace saturday

"the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" = "One GREATER then Sabbath and the Temple has Come"

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

As a child and until His Ministry began = YES

Once His Ministry began HE introduced the New Covenant = IAM
Elohenu Avraham Elohenu Yitzchak Elohenu Yacov

Nothing from the OC is equal to or above Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = LORD of the Sabbath

You can look diligently in the Gospels and the Apostles writings = no commandment is given for saturday sabbath

IMPORTANT = sunday did not replace saturday

"the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" = "One GREATER then Sabbath and the Temple has Come"

To the trenches my friend the hour is late and grows only later by the hour .
COME YE unto ME all who do labor and are weary and YE shall find REST for your souls .
ENTER INTO THAT FAITH , THAT BELIEF .
Some folks thinks when paul was writing to the hebrews hims was speaking of the old sabbath rest .
But hims wasnt , now was he . ENTER YE INTO THAT REST lest ye fall after the same example OF UNBELIEF .
JESUS IS our hope and our salvation my friend . Point TO HIM till the final breath does slip out those lungs my friend .

 

[David Koberstein]

As a child and until His Ministry began = YES

Once His Ministry began HE introduced the New Covenant = IAM
Elohenu Avraham Elohenu Yitzchak Elohenu Yacov

Nothing from the OC is equal to or above Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = LORD of the Sabbath

You can look diligently in the Gospels and the Apostles writings = no commandment is given for saturday sabbath

IMPORTANT = sunday did not replace saturday

"the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" = "One GREATER then Sabbath and the Temple has Come"

The commandment.for keeping the 7th day Shabbat holy is in the 10 commandments. Just like the prohibition against murder. Should we ignore murder and consider that obsolete. I don't think so. The New Covenant began after Yeshua's crucifixion, not when His ministry began.
It's amazing to me that Christians read all kind of things into the New Testament and completely ignore the Old Testament altogether. Yeshua was not a Christian, but an observant Jew. His ministry was relegated to the Jewish people only.
Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

The commandment.for keeping the 7th day Shabbat holy is in the 10 commandments. Just like the prohibition against murder. Should we ignore murder and consider that obsolete. I don't think so. The New Covenant began after Yeshua's crucifixion, not when His ministry began.
It's amazing to me that Christians read all kind of things into the New Testament and completely ignore the Old Testament altogether. Yeshua was not a Christian, but an observant Jew. His ministry was relegated to the Jewish people only.
Shalom

Rejoice my Brother in YAHshua

All 10 Commandments are in Christ for HE is the only One who fulfilled all 10 on our behalf.

YES = we are to obey and keep the commandments of God = If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

DILEMMA = You cannot walk in the REST of God by observing saturday sabbath according to Moses

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

As a child and until His Ministry began = YES

Once His Ministry began HE introduced the New Covenant = IAM
Elohenu Avraham Elohenu Yitzchak Elohenu Yacov

Nothing from the OC is equal to or above Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = LORD of the Sabbath

You can look diligently in the Gospels and the Apostles writings = no commandment is given for saturday sabbath

IMPORTANT = sunday did not replace saturday

"the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" = "One GREATER then Sabbath and the Temple has Come"

all that was given unto the peoples of jacob
by MOSES
Would be fullfilled and completed by the very ONE by whom both the law and the prophets
and even before the law was given as we see even abraham had it told to him .
Everything done was according to the pattern
showed moses in heaven while in that mountain .
But all the earthen was but a shadow of THE TRUE itself which IS IN HEAVEN and JESUS WOULD COMPLETE
and FINISH and ENTER INTO THE VERY TRUE ITSELF with FAR BETTER sacrfices for the heavenly
AS He gave up HIS OWN SELF , HIS OWN BLOOD , HIS own life .
That blood , that covenant , that dare i say EVEN SABBATH REST .
YES even the sabbath given
would point to the TRUE REST GIVEN OF GOD BY JESUS CHRIST .
There is a rest many know not
There is a peace that many know not
There is a temple not on earth that many sure seem to know naught about .
GOD rested on the seventh day from his works .
Man failed . But CHRIST PREVAILED . you might be asking yourself
why did ol amigo say that .
Because God knew . He has always known and predetermined
that CHRIST Would come to COMPLETE , to FINISH the works
TO do that which the created could not do and had failed to do .
TO RESTORE man BACK TO GOD . In the beginning
IT was said LET THERE BE LIGHT and the LIGHT shined
AND OH MY , HOW IN JESUS CHRIST THIS LIGHT HAS SHINED EVEN WITHIN
the heart of his sheep . And the LIGHT IS GOOD and shows the sheep the path wherein they ought walk .
SOMETHING dire necessary would be sent and completed for the sake of man
HIS NAME BE JESUS . And i shudder in fear for many follow another jesus and i am telling us
that one cannot save . its but name only , its a sin pleaser , its a liar , its a denier and twister of his words
and a pleaser of the flesh and lusts of men .

 

[David Koberstein]

Rejoice my Brother in YAHshua

All 10 Commandments are in Christ for HE is the only One who fulfilled all 10 on our behalf.

YES = we are to obey and keep the commandments of God = If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

DILEMMA = You cannot walk in the REST of God by observing saturday sabbath according to Moses

Not True. Messianic Jews and the Jewish people will always observe Shabbat on the 7th day. That will never change. Maybe you should try it?

 

[DavidTree]

Not True. Messianic Jews and the Jewish people will always observe Shabbat on the 7th day. That will never change. Maybe you should try it?

Been there done that.
Saturday does not necessitate Salvation but it does point to MESSIAH.
The law was our tudor to bring us to MESSIAH.

Which "rest" does Hebrews chapter 4 speak of???

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Shalom my Brother in YAHshua HaMashiach

 

[David Koberstein]

Been there done that.
Saturday does not necessitate Salvation but it does point to MESSIAH.
The law was our tudor to bring us to MESSIAH.

Which "rest" does Hebrews chapter 4 speak of???

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Shalom my Brother in YAHshua HaMashiach

Nobody is saying that observing Shabbat or the Torah is salvation. They are guidelines for righteous living. Something you may want to try?
Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

Nobody is saying that observing Shabbat or the Torah is salvation. They are guidelines for righteous living. Something you may want to try?
Shalom

What does Hebrews chapter 4 speak of ???

What is the "rest" that we must enter ???

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

the same covenant has always been in place..
Return to Him to His Eden paradise...

He is restoring His land to us
lost after the fall and restoring us to
His type of nature , the original body He made for us , lost after the fall.

We are born into this satanic not made by God! realm with its fallen carnal mindset.
The whole earth lies in wickedness, under the headship of satan.

there is no part of 'this earth' dungeon that is good..

and yet what if i told you a very alarming and outta shock one outta they socks TRUTH .
That most all of christendom itself now lies in this wickedness
under the head ship of satan who was so cleverly through the lusts of the flesh
RE DESIGNED , pumped out , lips moving but truth not coming out ,
IMAGE of what it says IS GOD AND IS LOVE .
Whats wrong . Did something i just type bring a wee bit of resistance to you .
THE ENTIRE REALM of christendom HAS BEEN infiltrated
and a means to merge , to unify , to find common ground , to break down walls of divisions
TO make ready a people for ANTI CHRIST has been at work .
Was it something i wrote or said that might be bothering you .
I KNOW the realms have been overrun . And i have long watched this people .
SO allow me some parting words .
SATAN can say GOD IS LOVE . Satan can say DONT HATE
satan can use any phrase , BUT HE GONNA TWIST STUFF FRIEND . false love is all
this people desires now . OH let us find common ground
OH let us build us a tower of many paths , many diverse and strange stones
THIS TOWER will surely reach to heaven . BUT IT ONLY REACHES TO THE LOWEST LEVELS OF HELLS FIRE .
And all who loved the lie will roast in them flames . I AM WORE OUT with watching the TRUE JESUS
get trod under foot in favor of this fairy fable preaching one that spouts love all day
BUT KNOWS NEITHER GOD OR HIS LOVE .

 

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and yet what if i told you a very alarming and outta shock one outta they socks TRUTH .
That most all of christendom itself now lies in this wickedness
under the head ship of satan who was so cleverly through the lusts of the flesh
RE DESIGNED , pumped out , lips moving but truth not coming out ,
IMAGE of what it says IS GOD AND IS LOVE .
Whats wrong . Did something i just type bring a wee bit of resistance to you .
THE ENTIRE REALM of christendom HAS BEEN infiltrated
and a means to merge , to unify , to find common ground , to break down walls of divisions
TO make ready a people for ANTI CHRIST has been at work .
Was it something i wrote or said that might be bothering you .
I KNOW the realms have been overrun . And i have long watched this people .
SO allow me some parting words .
SATAN can say GOD IS LOVE . Satan can say DONT HATE
satan can use any phrase , BUT HE GONNA TWIST STUFF FRIEND . false love is all
this people desires now . OH let us find common ground
OH let us build us a tower of many paths , many diverse and strange stones
THIS TOWER will surely reach to heaven . BUT IT ONLY REACHES TO THE LOWEST LEVELS OF HELLS FIRE .
And all who loved the lie will roast in them flames . I AM WORE OUT with watching the TRUE JESUS
get trod under foot in favor of this fairy fable preaching one that spouts love all day
BUT KNOWS NEITHER GOD OR HIS LOVE .

modern christian as jacob
is anti christian

and lawless .

 

[David Koberstein]

What does Hebrews chapter 4 speak of ???

What is the "rest" that we must enter ???

First of all the writer of Hebrews is speaking to a Jewish audience. He is using Old Covenant truths to communicate New Covenant truths. The rest here is referring to the Kingdom of God.
Shalom