When was the End of the Old Covenant and the Beginning of the New Covenant?

[DavidTree]

First of all the writer of Hebrews is speaking to a Jewish audience. He is using Old Covenant truths to communicate New Covenant truths. The rest here is referring to the Kingdom of God.
Shalom

What is the 'rest' of Hebrews chapter 4 ?

Remember that the Gospel was first preached to the Jewish people as prophesied.

 

[David Koberstein]

What is the 'rest' of Hebrews chapter 4 ?

Remember that the Gospel was first preached to the Jewish people as prophesied.

I'm reading an interesting book by Jacob Fronczak titled 'Yeshua Matters'. Putting the Jewish Rabbi back at the center of Christianity. Jacob grew up in a Christian home and graduated from Liberty University.
He works at the First Fruits of Zion. You can purchase this book from Amazon.
Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

@David Koberstein

Just a reminder:
When i was brought to YAHshua HaMashiach, i was received by Him into "the Faith" of our anscestors in MESSIAH.
My wife is Jewish twice over = in her flesh(which cannot save) and she was Born-Again by the Spirit into her MESSIAH
We lift UP prayer on behalf of all people, we pray for the Jewish people and all who are in Israel to come to MESSIAH.
We do not condemn Israel for their right to defending themselves = especially against a nuclear threat from their enemies.
Local rabbis are welcome at our home AND we share the love of MESSIAH and His Word to them from Torah, Psalms & Prophets
We agree and declare that the First Coming of YAHshua is "Ben Yoseph" = He who was rejected by His brethren
We agree and declare that His Second Coming is "Ben David" to rescue His Elect and to the remnant of the Jewish people whom God brings thru the fire = Zecharaih 13:7-9 & Matthew 23:37-39

Which brings us back to Hebrews chapter 4 and the "rest" of God = is it saturday, sunday or Some Other from Genesis???

 

[David Koberstein]

@David Koberstein

Just a reminder:
When i was brought to YAHshua HaMashiach, i was received by Him into "the Faith" of our anscestors in MESSIAH.
My wife is Jewish twice over = in her flesh(which cannot save) and she was Born-Again by the Spirit into her MESSIAH
We lift UP prayer on behalf of all people, we pray for the Jewish people and all who are in Israel to come to MESSIAH.
We do not condemn Israel for their right to defending themselves = especially against a nuclear threat from their enemies.
Local rabbis are welcome at our home AND we share the love of MESSIAH and His Word to them from Torah, Psalms & Prophets
We agree and declare that the First Coming of YAHshua is "Ben Yoseph" = He who was rejected by His brethren
We agree and declare that His Second Coming is "Ben David" to rescue His Elect and to the remnant of the Jewish people whom God brings thru the fire = Zecharaih 13:7-9 & Matthew 23:37-39

Which brings us back to Hebrews chapter 4 and the "rest" of God = is it saturday, sunday or Some Other from Genesis???

I thought I answered that earlier. The commandment given to Moses at Sinai was to rest on the 7th day and to keep it holy. I didn't see an expiration date on that particular command or the other 9 commandments. Yeshua is also called the Son of God in the B'rit Hadashah. The 'rest' in the book of Messianic Hebrews chapter 4 is referring to rest in God's Kingdom from my study and perspective. Thank you for your email testimony of your faith in Yeshua!
Shalom Aleichem

 

[David Koberstein]

@David Koberstein

Just a reminder:
When i was brought to YAHshua HaMashiach, i was received by Him into "the Faith" of our anscestors in MESSIAH.
My wife is Jewish twice over = in her flesh(which cannot save) and she was Born-Again by the Spirit into her MESSIAH
We lift UP prayer on behalf of all people, we pray for the Jewish people and all who are in Israel to come to MESSIAH.
We do not condemn Israel for their right to defending themselves = especially against a nuclear threat from their enemies.
Local rabbis are welcome at our home AND we share the love of MESSIAH and His Word to them from Torah, Psalms & Prophets
We agree and declare that the First Coming of YAHshua is "Ben Yoseph" = He who was rejected by His brethren
We agree and declare that His Second Coming is "Ben David" to rescue His Elect and to the remnant of the Jewish people whom God brings thru the fire = Zecharaih 13:7-9 & Matthew 23:37-39

Which brings us back to Hebrews chapter 4 and the "rest" of God = is it saturday, sunday or Some Other from Genesis???

There is also another book I purchased on Amazon titled 'Yeshua first-person. The Rabbi's Story, in His Own Words by Izzy Avraham. That is the next book I will start reading. It's in paperback.
Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

I thought I answered that earlier. The commandment given to Moses at Sinai was to rest on the 7th day and to keep it holy. I didn't see an expiration date on that particular command or the other 9 commandments. Yeshua is also called the Son of God in the B'rit Hadashah. The 'rest' in the book of Messianic Hebrews chapter 4 is referring to rest in God's Kingdom from my study and perspective. Thank you for your email testimony of your faith in Yeshua!
Shalom Aleichem

Hebrews chapter 4 disqualifies saturday(and sunday) as God's rest =
a.) there remains a rest for the people of God that they must enter into
b.) beware lest a heart of unbelief and one fails to enter into His rest"
c.) Joshua did not bring them rest and "the prophet David spoke of another day"
d.) "Today, if you will hear His Voice, harden not your hearts."

Neither JESUS nor the Apostles ever spoke or commanded OT observance of saturday in the New Covenant

 

[David Koberstein]

Hebrews chapter 4 disqualifies saturday(and sunday) as God's rest =
a.) there remains a rest for the people of God that they must enter into
b.) beware lest a heart of unbelief and one fails to enter into His rest"
c.) Joshua did not bring them rest and "the prophet David spoke of another day"
d.) "Today, if you will hear His Voice, harden not your hearts."

Neither JESUS nor the Apostles ever spoke or commanded OT observance of saturday in the New Covenant

Besides being a rabbi, Yeshua was an observant Jew that worshipped on Shabbat. He attended the festivals and was fully engulfed in Jewish culture. I observe the Jewish Shabbat. Please pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

Besides being a rabbi, Yeshua was an observant Jew that worshipped on Shabbat. He attended the festivals and was fully engulfed in Jewish culture. I observe the Jewish Shabbat. Please pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Shalom

Well of course = Matthew 5:17

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
MESSIAH fulfilled the intended course of the "law and the prophets" and then HE said: "IT IS FINISHED"

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

13Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Search the New Covenant Scriptures including the Apostles =
see if you can find just one 4th commandment as in saturday being commanded by Christ or the Apostles for the Body of MESSIAH

Search the New Covenant Scriptures for 'God's Rest' and SEE if it is 'saturday' or Some Other from Genesis that was fulfilled

 

[David Koberstein]

Well of course = Matthew 5:17

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
MESSIAH fulfilled the intended course of the "law and the prophets" and then HE said: "IT IS FINISHED"

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

13Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Search the New Covenant Scriptures including the Apostles =
see if you can find just one 4th commandment as in saturday being commanded by Christ or the Apostles for the Body of MESSIAH

Search the New Covenant Scriptures for 'God's Rest' and SEE if it is 'saturday' or Some Other from Genesis that was fulfilled

There is no such commandment by the Messianic Apostles or Yeshua, but in Mark 2:27, Yeshua says that Shabbat was made for man, not man for the Shabbat. That communicates to me that Shabbat was understood completely and accepted to be the 7th day of the week and there was no confusion about it.
Shalom

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

What is the 'rest' of Hebrews chapter 4 ?

Remember that the Gospel was first preached to the Jewish people as prophesied.

Belief in CHRIST JESUS .
to the trenches my friend , another day to point to the LORD has come upon us .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

@David Koberstein

Just a reminder:
When i was brought to YAHshua HaMashiach, i was received by Him into "the Faith" of our anscestors in MESSIAH.
My wife is Jewish twice over = in her flesh(which cannot save) and she was Born-Again by the Spirit into her MESSIAH
We lift UP prayer on behalf of all people, we pray for the Jewish people and all who are in Israel to come to MESSIAH.
We do not condemn Israel for their right to defending themselves = especially against a nuclear threat from their enemies.
Local rabbis are welcome at our home AND we share the love of MESSIAH and His Word to them from Torah, Psalms & Prophets
We agree and declare that the First Coming of YAHshua is "Ben Yoseph" = He who was rejected by His brethren
We agree and declare that His Second Coming is "Ben David" to rescue His Elect and to the remnant of the Jewish people whom God brings thru the fire = Zecharaih 13:7-9 & Matthew 23:37-39

Which brings us back to Hebrews chapter 4 and the "rest" of God = is it saturday, sunday or Some Other from Genesis???

THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS is our hope and our salvation . march onwards in the trenches my friend .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

There is no such commandment by the Messianic Apostles or Yeshua, but in Mark 2:27, Yeshua says that Shabbat was made for man, not man for the Shabbat. That communicates to me that Shabbat was understood completely and accepted to be the 7th day of the week and there was no confusion about it.
Shalom

of course it was the seventh day . And GOD did rest from His works on the seventh day .
VERY interesting indeed
that even the sabbath of the shadow of the true POINTS to THE TRUE SABBATH REST OF GOD
Given IN CHRIST JESUS . aint that a beauty .
Come ye unto me all you who do labor and are weary and YE shall FIND REST for your souls .
SOMEONE fullfilled my friend . that someone WAS AND IS JESUS the CHRIST .
The very one foretold who would come . I come to FINISH THE WORKS . such lovely truth indeed .
THus its a plain fact that What paul wrote of to the hebrews
about entering into THAT REST . OH THAT WAS ALL ABOUT FAITH IN JESUS

 

[DavidTree]

There is no such commandment by the Messianic Apostles or Yeshua, but in Mark 2:27, Yeshua says that Shabbat was made for man, not man for the Shabbat. That communicates to me that Shabbat was understood completely and accepted to be the 7th day of the week and there was no confusion about it.
Shalom

100% AGREE = under the Prophesy of Genesis and the commandment under the law of Moses in Exodus

MESSIAH fulfilled God's Prophesy of the 7th day of rest of Genesis and of Exodus

@David Koberstein the passage of scripture below is NOT directed at you but is posted here for understanding

"Which is Greater"

“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind!
For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it. He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

Shalom

 

[DavidTree]

THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS is our hope and our salvation . march onwards in the trenches my friend .

Hebrews 12:1-2 = "looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of our Faith"

That settles it then = Ellen G. White and Paula White must go............

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hebrews 12:1-2 = "looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of our Faith"

That settles it then = Ellen G. White and Paula White must go............

And white that follows not CHRIST but rather deadly doctrines of men
Is NO WHITE of the LORD .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hebrews 12:1-2 = "looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of our Faith"

That settles it then = Ellen G. White and Paula White must go............

Beware also the white who worketh within that same realm . His braids of woven hair
in no way means HE knoweth the GOD of sampson .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hebrews 12:1-2 = "looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of our Faith"

That settles it then = Ellen G. White and Paula White must go............

There is that which setteth dates and is found a liar
but rather than repenting of said error
along cometh another and begins not to correct the date setting
but rather to try and imply the idea of investigative judgement . Not looking good at all .
IF anyone , myself included , were to come
and set a date about the return of Christ
Heed no such voice . And then when the date is missed
another cometh along and says , OL amigo was right about THE DATE
its just the location was wrong , A DOUBLE HEED THEM NOT . something went dead wrong my friend .
And out of it came yet another man made religoin . We got more of them man made precept taught and learned
THAN this sheep can count . VERY few just stick to the scrips and enjoy reading and learning those scrips .
The many seem to love their denominations views on the subject
NOT rather JUST the SIMPLE TRUTH in the scriptures .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

100% AGREE = under the Prophesy of Genesis and the commandment under the law of Moses in Exodus

MESSIAH fulfilled God's Prophesy of the 7th day of rest of Genesis and of Exodus

@David Koberstein the passage of scripture below is NOT directed at you but is posted here for understanding

"Which is Greater"

“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind!
For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it. He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

Shalom

And yet indeed my friend . One far greater than the temple of earthen hands .
The veil is upon the eyes of the many now . Only in CHRIST can that veil be removed .
For whether is greater the shadow or the VERY BODY ITSELF which do cast that shadow .
Their was good reason and purpose that the law was added
But it was added ONLY till the time of the promise of which BOTH THE LAW , THE PROPHETS
pointed too . That would be CHRIST JESUS .
A lover of sin who uses HIS name , DOES NOT KNOW HIM . so beware of that .
But he who looketh to the law for justification is in danger themselves .
FOR neither has Submitted unto THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD , which In HIM are made the righteousness of GOD .
JESUS the CHRIST .
Many go about to either use HIS name to justify wickedness
Use His name as a means of power and control
Use His name as a means , well to do evil and to lead rebellion against GOD unto this people .
SO lets remember a few things .
ONLY JESUS THE CHRIST saves
HE is no minstir of sin , so he wont be honoring or accepting ANYONES sin
ONLY CHRIST JESUS saves and another jesus only graves .
One MUST BELIEVE ON HIM , confessing HIM by mouth and believing from the heart GOD rose HIM from the dead .
Only this people better watch out
cause it darn sure is very clear someone and something
has ressurrected QUITE another image of JESUS , and it darn SURE AINT JESUS .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hebrews 12:1-2 = "looking to JESUS the Author and Finisher of our Faith"

That settles it then = Ellen G. White and Paula White must go............

Let all beware .
It is quite clear
that through the darkness , the mystery of inquity , that which is of anti christ
that an entirely other image of jesus has been given life
and while it might appear lamblike , IT SPEAKS LIKE A DRAGON david . LIKE a seducing dragon .
Never have i seen anything like this so quickly captivate
and be able to merge the tribes of all religoins and even christendom
under another image of what it calleth LOVE and cliams to be OF GOD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Let all beware .
It is quite clear
that through the darkness , the mystery of inquity , that which is of anti christ
that an entirely other image of jesus has been given life
and while it might appear lamblike , IT SPEAKS LIKE A DRAGON david . LIKE a seducing dragon .
Never have i seen anything like this so quickly captivate
and be able to merge the tribes of all religoins and even christendom
under another image of what it calleth LOVE and cliams to be OF GOD .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV