The Issue of Limited Atonement

So then according to this statement, Salvation isnt conditioned on Christ alone, but Christ plus mans action, or mans faith
Jesus is the conditional source of our salvation, and faith is the conditional means of our salvation, for Scripture consistently teaches that salvation exists only in Christ and is received only through believing in Him: “There is salvation in no one else” (Acts 4:12), “No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6), and “In Him we have redemption through His blood” (Eph. 1:7), establishing Christ alone as the saving source; yet the same Scriptures insist that this salvation is applied only through faith. “By grace you have been saved through faith” (Eph. 2:8), “whoever believes in Him shall not perish” (John 3:16), “having been justified by faith, we have peace with God” (Rom. 5:1), and “everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins” (Acts 10:43). So Christ is not supplemented by faith, but personally received by it, making salvation wholly Christ-centered in its ground and genuinely conditional in its reception, exactly as the gospel proclaims.
 
Its the truth, they which be in the flesh cant please God Rom 8:8 You do understand the unregenerate are in the flesh dont you ?
It's the truth that Paul's audience is believers and they must continue to choose to be in the Spirit because being in the flesh cannot please God (Rom 8:8).
 
Jesus is the conditional source of our salvation, and faith is the conditional means of our salvation,
Thats works, condemned by scripture. And it deprives Christ of being the only one who fulfilled all conditions in saving a sinner.

You could never testify

Ps 3:8 Salvation belongeth unto the Lord:
thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.
 
True but believers are not in the flesh Rom 8:9. Them which be in the flesh are the unregenerate. As long as they are in the flesh, they cannot believe or become believers because that pleases God
What happens when a believer chooses to switch from being in the Spirit to being in the flesh? Don't tell me that's not possible because Paul warned his believing audience against doing that. Does he/she automatically become unregenerate?
 
Thats works, condemned by scripture.
You just flat out contradicted James and Paul. Well done!

(James 2:24) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

(James 2:26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

(Rom 2:7) indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life
And it deprives Christ of being the only one who fulfilled all conditions in saving a sinner.

You could never testify

Ps 3:8 Salvation belongeth unto the Lord:
thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.
Repentance is needed for salvation. Is it Christ's responsibilty to repent for you? You're in a real pickle now.
 
@FreeInChrist
Do you define faith itself as a meritorious work — something that earns salvation?
It is not what I define as a meritorious work, but that which God's word does. Let me be as clear as I know how to be by using the word of God according to my understanding of the scriptures.

First of all, and the starting point which all of those who hold to another gospel, which Paul (not me) condemned as another gospel, and which he said, falls under the curse of God.

Galatians 1:8,9~
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

Saying this once is terrible enough, saying this twice back to back, shows how dreadful it is for any man/woman to preach any other gospel than what Paul will go on to explain to us starting at Galatians 2:16-5:4. If what you, or I believe and teach, deviates from Galatians 2:16-5:4, then we have another gospel, and we will fall under the curse of God~these are soberly words, and should make us to seriously compare our teachings to these verses where Paul will explain the true grace of God, which few preach and hold to.

1st Peter 5:12~“By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.”

So, let's see who is standing upon the true grace of God, or who has fallen from the this doctrine of pure grace, shall we?

So, let us get started @FreeInChrist ~ would you not agree that If one starts out wrong, it is impossible for them to end up with the truth of the gospel? I know that is is impossible and so do you.

1. Do you believe and teach that in your flesh, or in your natural state from your mother's womb, dewells some good things, such as a free will, etc., to do spiritual acts pleasing to God?

2. When Adam sinned, did he lose the image of God~such as: righteousness, spiritual knowledge, wisdom and understanding, etc.? Or, in other words, the power to do "spiritual" acts pleasing to the God who created him and Eve, his wife.

3. Is the new birth a birth by the Spirit of God alone, "without" the will of the flesh, or the will of the flesh?

4. Do you or your companions, believe that the word of God must be present before one is born of the Spirit?

I have more, but enough for us to get started.
 
You just flat out contradicted James and Paul. Well done!
No I didn't, if you make anything you do a condition donr by you to get saved, its works and condemned by God. Salvation is by Grace

And getting back on subject, Salvation is only for the elect, limited to them 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
 
@FreeInChrist

It is not what I define as a meritorious work, but that which God's word does. Let me be as clear as I know how to be by using the word of God according to my understanding of the scriptures.

First of all, and the starting point which all of those who hold to another gospel, which Paul (not me) condemned as another gospel, and which he said, falls under the curse of God.

Galatians 1:8,9~“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

Saying this once is terrible enough, saying this twice back to back, shows how dreadful it is for any man/woman to preach any other gospel than what Paul will go on to explain to us starting at Galatians 2:16-5:4. If what you, or I believe and teach, deviates from Galatians 2:16-5:4, then we have another gospel, and we will fall under the curse of God~these are soberly words, and should make us to seriously compare our teachings to these verses where Paul will explain the true grace of God, which few preach and hold to.

1st Peter 5:12~“By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.”

So, let's see who is standing upon the true grace of God, or who has fallen from the this doctrine of pure grace, shall we?

So, let us get started @FreeInChrist ~ would you not agree that If one starts out wrong, it is impossible for them to end up with the truth of the gospel? I know that is is impossible and so do you.

1. Do you believe and teach that in your flesh, or in your natural state from your mother's womb, dewells some good things, such as a free will, etc., to do spiritual acts pleasing to God?

2. When Adam sinned, did he lose the image of God~such as: righteousness, spiritual knowledge, wisdom and understanding, etc.? Or, in other words, the power to do "spiritual" acts pleasing to the God who created him and Eve, his wife.

3. Is the new birth a birth by the Spirit of God alone, "without" the will of the flesh, or the will of the flesh?

4. Do you or your companions, believe that the word of God must be present before one is born of the Spirit?

I have more, but enough for us to get started.
Good morning Red,

I chuckle as I am writing this to you simply because it is giving me needed mental space from finishing my taxes.

So, as I read your reply you are definitely assuming.....without scriptural warrant.....that if faith is required, then faith must be a meritorious work. But the fact is, scripture in no way defines faith that way.

Faith does not earn salvatio
n, obligate God, or add merit. Yet Scripture is explicit that faith precedes justification and life, not the other way around.

We are told in
John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Believing is not working. Paul explicitly contrasts the two:

Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Grace is the source; faith is the God-ordained condition by which salvation is received. Condition is not merit.

Now, to your questions..... briefly and plainly~


1. Does fallen man possess anything good by nature?
Man is fallen and unable to earn salvation, yet Scripture never teaches man is incapable of responding to God’s gracious initiative (Romans 10:17; John 1:9). Inability to save is not inability to believe.


2. Did Adam lose the image of God entirely?
The image was marred, not erased (Genesis 9:6; James 3:9). Total depravity does not mean the annihilation of all God-given capacities.


3. Is the new birth without the will of man?
The new birth is caused by God alone, but Scripture never says the human will is bypassed—only that it does not originate regeneration (John 1:12–13). Receiving is not causing.


4. Must the word of God be present before one is born of the Spirit?
Yes.
Scripture explicitly teaches this (Romans 10:17; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23).


Without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). That does not make faith a work .....it defines faith as trust, not merit
 
Repentance is needed for salvation. Is it Christ's responsibilty to repent for you?
Yes repentance is needed with Salvation and its Christ responsibility to give it to them He saves, because He is their Saviour Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Thats what a Savior does, He gives them He saves repentance plus forgiveness of sins. Do you believe that ?
 
Yes repentance is needed with Salvation and its Christ responsibility to give it to them He saves, because He is their Saviour Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Thats what a Savior does, He gives them He saves repentance plus forgiveness of sins. Do you believe that ?

I suppose God repents for you? Right? I mean if everything operates like you insist, then there would be no requirement for you do anything.

Does God repent for you?
 
Yes repentance is needed with Salvation and its Christ responsibility to give it to them He saves, because He is their Saviour Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Thats what a Savior does, He gives them He saves repentance plus forgiveness of sins. Do you believe that ?

IOW Jesus actually makes the person turn 180 degrees from his sinning .... which is repentence..... You have to do an about face.... no one can do it for you.... no one can stop smoking for you, no one can stop your drug use, no one can stop your sexual immorality... and hundreds of other things unless that is what you want/....and you want that
when and only when YOU decide you want to tru;y be a child of God .....

Remember... are you still reading??????????/ Remember when Jesus stood in for the woman being stoned to death for adultery.

WHY IS IT... THIS HAS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME.... THAT THE WOMEN WERE THE ONES TO BLAME AND THE GUYS GOT OFF PRETTY EASY????????????/

Anyway... John 18:
11 And straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?”
12 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

Jesus forgave her but at the same time gave her a warning of "From now on sin no more.”

He did not do one thing to take that urge, that drive, that need from he to stay out of bed with anyone but her husband because she had to come to that by herself.

ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT NO ONE EVER EXPLAINED THIS TO YOU? WOW
 
IOW Jesus actually makes the person turn 180 degrees from his sinning .... which is repentence.
He gives them repentance, causes a change of mind. The word repentance in Acts 5 31 is μετάνοια:
  1. a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done
 
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