The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

dizerner said:
Why is the description like this then?

and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess. 5:23 NKJ)

With your definition it should say this:

and may your whole soul, the spirit and body, be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess. 5:23 NKJ)
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"may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete" This is not a proof-text for an ontological trichotomy in mankind (humans a trinity like God), but humans have a dual relationship to both this planet and to God. The Hebrew word nephesh is used of both mankind and the animals in Genesis (cf. Gen. 1:24; 2:19), while "spirit" (ruah) is used uniquely of mankind (the breath of life). This is not a proof-text on the nature of mankind as a three-part (trichotomous) being, nor is Heb. 4:12. Mankind is primarily represented in the Bible as a unity (cf. Gen. 2:7). For a good summary of the theories of mankind as trichotomous, dichotomous, or a unity, see Millard J. Erickson's Christian Theology (second edition) pp. 538-557 and Frank Stagg's Polarities of Man's Existence in Biblical Perspective.
 
Johann said:
This is not a proof-text for an ontological trichotomy in mankind
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Uh... yes... it is.

That's exactly what it says.

If someone comes up to you and says "John 3:16 has nothing to do with the Gospel!" do you just go, "Oh, okay, wow, I never knew that. I stand corrected"?
 
dizerner said:
Uh... yes... it is.

That's exactly what it says.

If someone comes up to you and says "John 3:16 has nothing to do with the Gospel!" do you just go, "Oh, okay, wow, I never knew that. I stand corrected"?
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What is the gospel?
Can you give me some directives in Scriptures and show ME how to be saved?
 
civic said:
Hypostatic Union


1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)
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Ok Good .... ONE "PERSON". now this, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

question, who is the he, that the Lord Jesus, is his EXPRESSED IMAGE? your answer please. which Express, means the EXACT or SAME PERSON? for the term EXPRESS here (in relation to the "PERSON"), is intrinsic meaning EXACT, because intrinsic means, "belonging naturally; essential". this is why on earth in the ECHAD of the Son, the EQUAL SHARE, says..... "My... MY .... My Father in heaven".
to see the synonyms word for Express, when used as a ADJ. "Specifically identified to the exclusion of anything else" one can click here. https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/express.html#C0-4

101G will be looking for your answer.
be blessed in the Lord Jesus

101G.
 
Johann said:
What is the gospel?
Can you give me some directives in Scriptures and show ME how to be saved?
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DOCTRINE FOR THE REAL WORLD _ PART 2
THE SPIRITUAL THINGS THAT AFFECT YOUR LIFE

“For what man knoweth the things of a man,
save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
~ 1 Corinthians 2:11

1. The Real World
a. Last week 1) The real world is physical AND spiritual. 2) Everyone has a doctrine.

b. Everyone believes, from Jim Carrey, Lady Gaga, Bill Gates, Lebron James, Trump/Clinton

c. Philosophers (and people) ask: 1) who am I, 2) how do I know, 3) what is most
important, 4) what should I do/what will happen? Acts 17:22-31, Eph 2:2

d. The Bible gives truth from God about spiritual things, but what are spiritual things?

2. What is Spiritual

a. The existence of the soul stares us in the face, while we use wrong instruments to find it

i. We are not merely a pattern of cells, molecules, elements with electrical spark.

ii. The problem with science = not what it says about physics, but what it cannot
iii. Where does life, intellect, cognition, imagination, true emotion, soul come from?

b. Spirit ~def. – An immaterial intelligent substance in which thinking, knowing, doubting,
sentiment, moral, perception, attitude, desire, disposition of mind, power of moving exist

i. Ex. Gender identity, abortion, abuse, honor, fulfillment, sanity, reason, AI

c. Soul - ~def. The spiritual, rational, immortal substance in man; personal being, center of
our mind, understanding, intellect, essence, life, courage, fire, heart, affection, appetite;
the true self–Gen 2:7, Job 27:3,33:4, Pro 20:27, John 6:63, Heb 4:12

d. Our spirit is common to all man given from God; your soul is personal and uniquely yours

e. Man has a spirit, man is a living soul – Christ made a life giving spirit – 1 Cor 15:45-46

3. Spiritual Problems

a. The world zealously pursues what they think most benefits (profit, good), why?

b. Social sciences study souls – Pyschology, economics, government, sociology, noetics

c. Fulfillment occurs not only with body, but soul and spirit – 1 Thess 5:23

d. Unfulfillment, dissatisfaction, anxiety, depression, fear, worry, boredom, turmoil, guilt,
pride, emptiness, hopeless, vanity; the need for peace, relationship, purpose,
accomplish, love, success, understanding - Our soul and spirits drive our very life!

e. Everyone seeks to satisfy the spiritual part of their lives. The issue – how, with what?

4. The Bible and Spiritual Things

a. Breaking natural laws results in death, injury, pain to the body; so with spirit, truth, & sin

b. Sin = contrary to God; walking not in the Spirit, unrighteous, seeking fulfill elsewhere

c. The Bible speaks about feeding the soul – Matt 4:4, Isa 55:2, Jer 15:16

i. It is not a mystical/emotional/flesh thing “feel the spirit”, “feel his power”, no.

d. The Bible helps you to discern flesh (dead spirit)/Holy Spirit - Gal 5:19-22

e. We need a quickened (made alive), regenerated, restored spirit – Titus 3:5

f. We have all spiritual blessings (benefits, advantages, gifts) in Christ - Eph 1:3

g. Our inner man needs quickened, strengthened, and guarded – Eph 2:5, 3:16
h. We can do all things through CHRIST which strengthens us in the spirit!– Phil 4:4-13

Thanks
J.
 
Complete said:
'By which (the Spirit) also He went and preached
unto the spirits (angelic beings) in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls (i.e., living beings)
were saved by water.
(1Pet. 3:19-20)

:)
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Not saying you're right or wrong, but is the term "prison" here is it the appropriate term in the respond used? for example Isaiah 42:6 "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;" Isaiah 42:7 "To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

so 101G question, is this "this prison spoken here, is this of the MIND, .... (Lack of Knowledge?), "IGNORANCE", read that verse again and and apply what 101G said. 101G will appreciate your comments.

stay blessed in the Lord.

101G.
 
dizerner said:
Uh... yes... it is.

That's exactly what it says.

If someone comes up to you and says "John 3:16 has nothing to do with the Gospel!" do you just go, "Oh, okay, wow, I never knew that. I stand corrected"?
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Trichotomy

Trichotomists believe that humans have three parts: body, soul, and spirit. The body is the material aspect of humanity. The soul and spirit combine to make up the immaterial aspect of humanity. The soul includes the intellect, emotions, will, and conscience. The spirit enables humans to interact with and worship God (John 4:24) and makes them different than animals, which do not have spirits. It is believed that before the fall, the human spirit was alive to God, but when the fall happened, the spirit died within humanity.

Ephesians 2:1 says before humans are born again, we are “dead in our transgressions and sins.” Apart from salvation, humans are led by their soul or body instead of their spiritual nature, which is dead. However, when saved, the spirit in humanity is regenerated and therefore interacts with God and submits to him (cf. Rom 8:10 NASB). Some would even say the regenerated human spirit is perfect and sinless,1 while the soul must continually be renewed (Rom 12:2) and the body disciplined until the resurrection (1 Tim 4:7, 1 Cor 9:27). The primary verses used to support trichotomy are 1 Thessalonians 5:23, which says, “Now may the God of peace himself make you completely holy and may your spirit and soul and body be kept entirely blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Also, Hebrews 4:12 says,

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing even to the point of dividing soul from spirit, and joints from marrow; it is able to judge the desires and thoughts of the heart.

Certainly, these verses appear to support that humanity has three parts: a body, soul, and spirit. With that said, with further investigation, it seems clear that the soul and spirit are not distinguishable parts of the human constitution but terms that are generally used synonymously, which is one of the dichotomist’s primary arguments.

Dichotomy
Dichotomy has been the most held view throughout history.2 Dichotomists believe that humans only consist of two parts—a material and immaterial part called the body and soul or body and spirit. Genesis 2:7 describes how God made humans this way. It says, “The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” “Living being” can also be translated “living soul” (ASV). Many verses focus on these two essential parts of human nature—the material and the immaterial—as noted below.

Christ said this: “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Matthew 10:28

For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

James 2:26

… An unmarried woman or a virgin is concerned about the things of the Lord, to be holy both in body and spirit.

1 Corinthians 7:34

turn this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 5:5

Further support for humans being made in a complex unity of the material body and immaterial soul is the fact that at death, the body and soul are temporarily separated. The body returns to the ground while the spirit or soul goes to heaven until God eventually resurrects the body. Many verses support this. In Revelation 6:9, the disembodied souls of those martyred during the great tribulation cry out to God for justice. It says, “Now when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been violently killed because of the word of God and because of the testimony they had given.” Also, Hebrews 12:23 mentions “the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect” who continually worship God in heaven. And in 2 Corinthians 5:8, Paul says, we “would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” When a person dies, the material body and the immaterial soul are separated until the resurrection.

Rebuttal of Trichotomy

How do dichotomists handle 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 which describe the soul and spirit as separate but indivisible parts of the human constitution? (1) They would argue that the authors are simply piling up or combining terms for emphasis.3 Those verses are similar to Luke 10:27 and Matthew 22:37, which say, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself” and “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.”

Should heart, mind, and soul all be distinguished? In these verses, the emphasis is to love God with one’s entire being.

Likewise, 1 Thessalonians 5:23 is simply a prayer for God to bless both the material and immaterial parts of a person, whether the immaterial is called spirit or soul. And Hebrews 4:12 is emphasizing how God’s Word can pierce the deepest parts. If someone wants to distinguish between “thoughts” and “intentions,” God’s Word can pierce that deep.

And if someone wants to distinguish between the “soul” and the “spirit,” God’s Word can pierce that deep as well. The point is not that thoughts and intentions are distinguishable, nor are the soul and spirit. The point is God’s Word is more effective and revealing than we can imagine.

(2) In addition, as support for the soul and spirit being the same, dichotomists point out how the words are commonly used interchangeably throughout Scripture. Because of this, it is impossible to distinguish them or designate separate roles for them, as portions of a human’s immaterial part. For example, in Luke 1:46-47, Mary says, “My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has begun to rejoice in God my Savior.” She is clearly using Hebrew parallelism—meaning the soul and spirit are the same. Essentially, she is saying her inner-being worships God. Likewise, Job used similar language for his discouragement. In Job 7:11, he said, “Therefore, I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.” Also, as quoted previously, in Revelation 6:9 when describing the disembodied martyrs in heaven, they are called “souls,” but in Hebrews 12:23, they are called “spirits.” The terms spirit and soul are used synonymously throughout Scripture to describe the immaterial part of humans. They should not be distinguished.

As far as the trichotomists’ belief that the human spirit, which relates to God, died at the fall and is regenerated at salvation, it would be better to think of our whole being as dead in the sense of them being out of fellowship with God and not just our spirit (Eph 2:1). Also, Scripture never teaches that our spirits after salvation become pure. In fact, Scripture teaches the opposite.

In 2 Corinthians 7:1, Paul said this: “Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that could defile the body and the spirit, and thus accomplish holiness out of reverence for God.” We are to cleanse both our bodies (actions) and spirits (wrong motives and thoughts) from sin in order to become holy and worship God as we should. Only after death or at the resurrection will our spirits become pure. As mentioned previously, in Hebrews 12:23, believers awaiting their resurrected bodies are called “the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect.” Likewise, there is no clear biblical support for animals being distinguished from humans because they don’t have a spirit. In Ecclesiastes 3:21 (ESV), Solomon said: “Who really knows if the human spirit ascends upward, and the animal’s spirit descends into the earth?” If the spirit refers to the immaterial portion of a being which includes the intellect and emotions, animals have that to various degrees, just like humans. What makes humans different than animals is that they are made in the image of God, they can interact with their Creator in the sense of worship and obedience, and their spirits will live eternally.
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4. Essential Nature of Humanity | Bible.org

What is the essential nature of humans? We’ve considered that God made humans in his image, and therefore humans reflect God in a variety of ways. However, God does not have a body because he is spirit (John 4:24), so it is clear that God did not make humans exactly like him, especially in the...
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Johann said:
DOCTRINE FOR THE REAL WORLD _ PART 2
THE SPIRITUAL THINGS THAT AFFECT YOUR LIFE

“For what man knoweth the things of a man,
save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
~ 1 Corinthians 2:11

1. The Real World
a. Last week 1) The real world is physical AND spiritual. 2) Everyone has a doctrine.

b. Everyone believes, from Jim Carrey, Lady Gaga, Bill Gates, Lebron James, Trump/Clinton

c. Philosophers (and people) ask: 1) who am I, 2) how do I know, 3) what is most
important, 4) what should I do/what will happen? Acts 17:22-31, Eph 2:2

d. The Bible gives truth from God about spiritual things, but what are spiritual things?

2. What is Spiritual

a. The existence of the soul stares us in the face, while we use wrong instruments to find it

i. We are not merely a pattern of cells, molecules, elements with electrical spark.

ii. The problem with science = not what it says about physics, but what it cannot
iii. Where does life, intellect, cognition, imagination, true emotion, soul come from?

b. Spirit ~def. – An immaterial intelligent substance in which thinking, knowing, doubting,
sentiment, moral, perception, attitude, desire, disposition of mind, power of moving exist

i. Ex. Gender identity, abortion, abuse, honor, fulfillment, sanity, reason, AI

c. Soul - ~def. The spiritual, rational, immortal substance in man; personal being, center of
our mind, understanding, intellect, essence, life, courage, fire, heart, affection, appetite;
the true self–Gen 2:7, Job 27:3,33:4, Pro 20:27, John 6:63, Heb 4:12

d. Our spirit is common to all man given from God; your soul is personal and uniquely yours

e. Man has a spirit, man is a living soul – Christ made a life giving spirit – 1 Cor 15:45-46

3. Spiritual Problems

a. The world zealously pursues what they think most benefits (profit, good), why?

b. Social sciences study souls – Pyschology, economics, government, sociology, noetics

c. Fulfillment occurs not only with body, but soul and spirit – 1 Thess 5:23

d. Unfulfillment, dissatisfaction, anxiety, depression, fear, worry, boredom, turmoil, guilt,
pride, emptiness, hopeless, vanity; the need for peace, relationship, purpose,
accomplish, love, success, understanding - Our soul and spirits drive our very life!

e. Everyone seeks to satisfy the spiritual part of their lives. The issue – how, with what?

4. The Bible and Spiritual Things

a. Breaking natural laws results in death, injury, pain to the body; so with spirit, truth, & sin

b. Sin = contrary to God; walking not in the Spirit, unrighteous, seeking fulfill elsewhere

c. The Bible speaks about feeding the soul – Matt 4:4, Isa 55:2, Jer 15:16

i. It is not a mystical/emotional/flesh thing “feel the spirit”, “feel his power”, no.

d. The Bible helps you to discern flesh (dead spirit)/Holy Spirit - Gal 5:19-22

e. We need a quickened (made alive), regenerated, restored spirit – Titus 3:5

f. We have all spiritual blessings (benefits, advantages, gifts) in Christ - Eph 1:3

g. Our inner man needs quickened, strengthened, and guarded – Eph 2:5, 3:16
h. We can do all things through CHRIST which strengthens us in the spirit!– Phil 4:4-13

Thanks
J.
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Johann said:
Trichotomy

Trichotomists believe that humans have three parts: body, soul, and spirit. The body is the material aspect of humanity. The soul and spirit combine to make up the immaterial aspect of humanity. The soul includes the intellect, emotions, will, and conscience. The spirit enables humans to interact with and worship God (John 4:24) and makes them different than animals, which do not have spirits. It is believed that before the fall, the human spirit was alive to God, but when the fall happened, the spirit died within humanity.

Ephesians 2:1 says before humans are born again, we are “dead in our transgressions and sins.” Apart from salvation, humans are led by their soul or body instead of their spiritual nature, which is dead. However, when saved, the spirit in humanity is regenerated and therefore interacts with God and submits to him (cf. Rom 8:10 NASB). Some would even say the regenerated human spirit is perfect and sinless,1 while the soul must continually be renewed (Rom 12:2) and the body disciplined until the resurrection (1 Tim 4:7, 1 Cor 9:27). The primary verses used to support trichotomy are 1 Thessalonians 5:23, which says, “Now may the God of peace himself make you completely holy and may your spirit and soul and body be kept entirely blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Also, Hebrews 4:12 says,

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing even to the point of dividing soul from spirit, and joints from marrow; it is able to judge the desires and thoughts of the heart.

Certainly, these verses appear to support that humanity has three parts: a body, soul, and spirit. With that said, with further investigation, it seems clear that the soul and spirit are not distinguishable parts of the human constitution but terms that are generally used synonymously, which is one of the dichotomist’s primary arguments.

Dichotomy
Dichotomy has been the most held view throughout history.2 Dichotomists believe that humans only consist of two parts—a material and immaterial part called the body and soul or body and spirit. Genesis 2:7 describes how God made humans this way. It says, “The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” “Living being” can also be translated “living soul” (ASV). Many verses focus on these two essential parts of human nature—the material and the immaterial—as noted below.

Christ said this: “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Matthew 10:28

For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

James 2:26

… An unmarried woman or a virgin is concerned about the things of the Lord, to be holy both in body and spirit.

1 Corinthians 7:34

turn this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 5:5

Further support for humans being made in a complex unity of the material body and immaterial soul is the fact that at death, the body and soul are temporarily separated. The body returns to the ground while the spirit or soul goes to heaven until God eventually resurrects the body. Many verses support this. In Revelation 6:9, the disembodied souls of those martyred during the great tribulation cry out to God for justice. It says, “Now when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been violently killed because of the word of God and because of the testimony they had given.” Also, Hebrews 12:23 mentions “the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect” who continually worship God in heaven. And in 2 Corinthians 5:8, Paul says, we “would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” When a person dies, the material body and the immaterial soul are separated until the resurrection.

Rebuttal of Trichotomy

How do dichotomists handle 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 which describe the soul and spirit as separate but indivisible parts of the human constitution? (1) They would argue that the authors are simply piling up or combining terms for emphasis.3 Those verses are similar to Luke 10:27 and Matthew 22:37, which say, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself” and “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.”

Should heart, mind, and soul all be distinguished? In these verses, the emphasis is to love God with one’s entire being.

Likewise, 1 Thessalonians 5:23 is simply a prayer for God to bless both the material and immaterial parts of a person, whether the immaterial is called spirit or soul. And Hebrews 4:12 is emphasizing how God’s Word can pierce the deepest parts. If someone wants to distinguish between “thoughts” and “intentions,” God’s Word can pierce that deep.

And if someone wants to distinguish between the “soul” and the “spirit,” God’s Word can pierce that deep as well. The point is not that thoughts and intentions are distinguishable, nor are the soul and spirit. The point is God’s Word is more effective and revealing than we can imagine.

(2) In addition, as support for the soul and spirit being the same, dichotomists point out how the words are commonly used interchangeably throughout Scripture. Because of this, it is impossible to distinguish them or designate separate roles for them, as portions of a human’s immaterial part. For example, in Luke 1:46-47, Mary says, “My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has begun to rejoice in God my Savior.” She is clearly using Hebrew parallelism—meaning the soul and spirit are the same. Essentially, she is saying her inner-being worships God. Likewise, Job used similar language for his discouragement. In Job 7:11, he said, “Therefore, I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.” Also, as quoted previously, in Revelation 6:9 when describing the disembodied martyrs in heaven, they are called “souls,” but in Hebrews 12:23, they are called “spirits.” The terms spirit and soul are used synonymously throughout Scripture to describe the immaterial part of humans. They should not be distinguished.

As far as the trichotomists’ belief that the human spirit, which relates to God, died at the fall and is regenerated at salvation, it would be better to think of our whole being as dead in the sense of them being out of fellowship with God and not just our spirit (Eph 2:1). Also, Scripture never teaches that our spirits after salvation become pure. In fact, Scripture teaches the opposite.

In 2 Corinthians 7:1, Paul said this: “Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that could defile the body and the spirit, and thus accomplish holiness out of reverence for God.” We are to cleanse both our bodies (actions) and spirits (wrong motives and thoughts) from sin in order to become holy and worship God as we should. Only after death or at the resurrection will our spirits become pure. As mentioned previously, in Hebrews 12:23, believers awaiting their resurrected bodies are called “the spirits of the righteous, who have been made perfect.” Likewise, there is no clear biblical support for animals being distinguished from humans because they don’t have a spirit. In Ecclesiastes 3:21 (ESV), Solomon said: “Who really knows if the human spirit ascends upward, and the animal’s spirit descends into the earth?” If the spirit refers to the immaterial portion of a being which includes the intellect and emotions, animals have that to various degrees, just like humans. What makes humans different than animals is that they are made in the image of God, they can interact with their Creator in the sense of worship and obedience, and their spirits will live eternally.
bible.org

4. Essential Nature of Humanity | Bible.org

What is the essential nature of humans? We’ve considered that God made humans in his image, and therefore humans reflect God in a variety of ways. However, God does not have a body because he is spirit (John 4:24), so it is clear that God did not make humans exactly like him, especially in the...
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dizerner said:
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the spirit of all the flesh of men. (Job 12:7-10 ROT)

Notice here in this passage that every living thing has a soul.

But only humans are described as having "spirit."
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An interesting scripture.

Gen 2:7 does say though that when God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life man became a living soul.

Job 12:7 does seem like an indication that man is spirit but all other living things are called souls. I wonder if it's merely a statement in a poetic way of saying things that repeat another way? But it does say the spirit of the flesh of men.

With respect I think we must conclude that MAN is spirit, soul and body for we have that precisely stated in Heb 4:12 where it states spirit and soul and body (joints and marrow) can be divided. And 1 Thess 5:23 states,

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess 5:23

So why doesn't it say your spirit and body.....or just soul and body. Why even make this a three part description?

I totally get it spirit and soul are used it seems to mean the same thing. It doesn't say they ARE the same in an absolute sense of the word but in describing human beings they're called many times SOULS. Even outside of Biblical applications the world does the same. One talks about how many people died on the Titanic they say over a thousand souls perished. They're not focused on making an absolute determination of what MAN truly exactly is......but it is used as a descriptive term. (more in another post)
 
GeneZ said:
I have known many who are orthodox is regards to Christology.

You teach the Docetism heresy..

What ever is going on here is a first for me. Its a distortion.


One of the most notable of these heresies was known as Docetism. Docetists—from the Greek
word dokeo (“to seem”)—argued that Jesus only appeared to be human. They were so convinced
of his divinity (which is a good thing), they became equally convinced that God could never take
on the fallenness of human flesh. As a result, they argued his humanity was an illusion."



https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-humanity-matters-divinity/
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You teach unitarianism the only difference like some unitarians your jesus like theirs is a small god, not The God. Your jesus was only a man absent of His Deity that didn't really exist as a Divine Person and only functioned as a man. Your beliefs are no different than a unitarians and you just toss "deity" on Christ that has no real meaning of what Trinitarians means by DEITY.

hope this helps !!!
 

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