Their Nestorian heretical presuppositions are blinding them to Biblical and logical truth. It's a similar disease to what Calvinists suffer but iin the Calvinist case it's Manichean/Gnostic heretical presuppositions that are blinding them to Biblical truth.Do you think it is there "inclination to sin" or their "sin nature" that is robbing them of clear vision?
The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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praise_yeshua
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No. I believe Jesus is. You're the one making Jesus like Peter.
I honestly do not understand why you go to some of the places you do with your responses.
No-one has said Jesus failed. We have repeatedly said He is without sin. What do you think @Johann is holding onto that says Christ failed?
praise_yeshua
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I honestly do not understand why you go to some of the places you do with your responses.
No-one has said Jesus failed. We have repeatedly said He is without sin. What do you think @Johann is holding onto that says Christ failed?
It said it because you're insisting that Jesus Christ was entirely and completely like a man. That is what your position requires. At least you believe Jesus Christ is a Divine Person. Your position is more accurate than the others. You're just contradicting yourself.
Now if we can just get you to believe that God never abandoned Jesus Christ when you think "He became sin for us".... you'll be much better
Listen. I see this as an important point because it "flavors" your theology. You'll see things different if you will embrace the accurate teaching of the Atonement. You'll stop requiring that Jesus Christ be just like you. You'll see Him for Who He is.
Brother, it is the quality of Divinity in the Atonement that made Christ acceptable to God. He ALWAYS... pleased the Father. Always. There never any doubt.
No-one has said Christ was a sinner, quite the opposite. The closest He got to sin was when our sin was laid on Him and He experienced what it was like to know sin, that is, the effects of sin.
Like a man as God intended, as Adam was created, yes. This is why Christ is called the Second Adam.
praise_yeshua
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I can agree with most of what you said here. There are fine lines to be "draw" when "painting this picture" of the Atonement.
The teaching of PSA leads men to overstate the suffering of Jesus Christ. It is the depravity of men that cause man to want to drag the quality of Divinity in Jesus Christ down to their level.
praise_yeshua
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If you'll pay attention to what I've been saying you'll know that Adam was peccable. Christ Jesus was never capable of sin. Never.
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Johann
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Quite the opposite-the one running is you.
Sticking your head in the sand, by putting someone on ignore, will not make your heresies go away. That is not very mature.
praise_yeshua
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I have already seen the risen Christ for who He is. It is why I am saved. He was merciful to me.
praise_yeshua
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Our new eyes don't understand what we see. They must mature. Our new ears don't understand everything they hear. They must mature.
I would never question your position. I have a very low standard for acceptance in the Beloved. Christ meet all the requirements necessary to bring to gift us Eternal Life.
That's when he sticks his head in the sand.
I gave you my answer. Why did you not respond to it? Why keep running away?
If it was impossible for Christ to not do the Father's will, why did He have to say "nevertheless not my will but yours be done"? That Christ chose to only ever do the Father's will is the difference between the First and the Second Adam. He was not compelled to doing the Father's will because of being God, He chose to do the Father's will because he loved Him as a man with all His heart and soul and strength and mind.
Wow! I wonder if you realise how utterly condescending that sounds.
I'm saved but I'm of a low standard?
It's ok. I know that is not what you were trying to say.
And I knew exactly who I was seeing because the Spirit kept repeating the same scripture over and over.
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