civic
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Was Adam God ? Yes or no
Was Jesus God ? Yes or no
Your answers to those two questions are what you seek. It will reveal the truth or your error.
Hope this helps !!!
The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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Was Jesus God ? Yes or no
Your answers to those two questions are what you seek. It will reveal the truth or your error.
Hope this helps !!!
Excellent! We agree on that.
I still contend that Christ's transfigured human nature does not have any capacity to sin.
Are you saying that my declaration that Christ is the Uncreated God Person (Word of God) is me "trying to make him to be something that the Lord Jesus Christ Himself denied Himself to be while on Earth"?
And Jesus was but refused to act as God. How could our High Priest have any hope of knowing our weaknesses (experiential knowing) if He assumed His Divine power when encountering any form of testing? God cannot be subjected to testing to evil.Adam was not God end of discussion
James 1:13
No one experiencing temptation should say, “I am being tempted by God”; for God is not subject to temptation to evil, and he himself tempts no one.
Temptation to evil doesn't register with Deity. It is effectively a non event.
Let's be clear that Christ did self-empty himself functionally to a level of a servant, not ontologically to the level of stripping himself of His Divine Personhood. He cannot cease to be the Person He is, the Uncreated Word of God.
Of course it doesn't. He has resumed the mantle of functioning as God through His glorified humanity.
GeneZ
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Adam was a man. Never God.
Jesus was God who chose not to manifest Himself in ability and power as God. Something that he had the full right to be.
Jesus chose to only function and manifest Himself as a man in ability by utilizing His Soul, not His Deity to do so.
Now read what the Word of God wants to tell you....
He was not *functioning* as God!
Even though He was God, He refused to *Function* as God.
Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God
[possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly
grasped or retained,
Rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross! Philippians 2:6-8
[possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly
grasped or retained,
Rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross! Philippians 2:6-8
The Devil targeted his temptation towards Christ's human nature side. Christ's Divine side is not subject to temptation.
Little did the Devil know that Christ's human side was transfigured so the Devil's temptation attempt was useless.
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No. You keep trying to make Him function as God when He made the decision not to.
GeneZ
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Can God die on the Cross?
Good. So we're clear on that.
GeneZ
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Those who still need to be taught, are pushing others around so they can assume to position to be teachers.
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And I am going to be seen as something completely different in the Resurrection but I will still be me.
Not true. I keep saying that Christ did self-empty himself functionally to a level of a servant. But ontologically His Divine Personhood is the Uncreated Word of God. His human nature is transfigured. Ours is not yet.
Agreed
Yes, you will still be the same person but with a new resurrected body that never decays nor dies.
Little did the Devil know that Christ's human side was transfigured so the Devil's temptation attempt was totally useless.
Was the Transfiguration revelation prophetic? Keep in mind.
John 7:39
39 He said this in reference to the Spirit that those who came to believe in him were to receive. There was, of course, no Spirit yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.Jesus wasn't glorified ie, resumed His functionality as God until after the Ascension.
That is a very good question. You really got me thinking. I'll give it my best shot hoping I do not fall into any heresy.
I don't think its prophetic. I think the Transfiguration is literally at that moment.
Jesus' Glorification is Jesus resuming his Divine functions and Divine place on His Father's Throne.
That still had not happened at His Transfiguration.
That's because His Cross, Resurrection, and Ascension had still not occurred.
So why does it look prophetic?
I think what's really happening is that the emblazoned Uncreated Light that we see at the Transfiguration is the Holy Spirit radiating from within Christ.
We often forget that it is the Holy Spirit Who was continuously with Christ after His Baptism and throughout Christ's Functionally-Self-Emptying state.
Note that the Transfiguration happened after Jesus' Baptism.
That's very interesting because that opens up the possibility that we ourselves could be emblazoned with the Holy Spirit at our Glorification.
Does Christ's Baptism take anything away from Christ's Incarnation whereby his Divine Nature permeated his human nature?
No, not at all. His human nature was in fact permeated by his Divine Nature. Scripture confirms that.
His Personhood was still the Uncreated God Person (Word of God).
But that was not the end of the story - his Glorification had not occurred yet.
Christ still had to destroy the sin barrier between sinful man (not Christ) and God as our Expiation on the Cross.
Christ still had to cripple Death at his Resurrection.
Christ still had to carry human nature into the very abode of His Father at His Ascension.
Christ still had to resume his Divine functions and Divine place at His Father's Right Hand, thus resuming his Glorification.
Anyways, that's my best shot. Please do tell me if you noticed any heresies along the way.
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GeneZ
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Jesus may have shone in glory, but that is not the same thing as being glorified by the Father. Glorified by the Father making His Son to be fully functioning as God in a body over all creation. Which He will continue doing until He has made all His enemies into His footstool.
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