brightfame52
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Then its no more grace, you make it obligated. You saying God owes Grace
The "hearing" game that Calvinists play
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civic
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Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Timothy 1:10
And now He has revealed this grace through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel,
Titus 3:4
But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared
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praise_yeshua
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God owes Grace to me if He owes it to you. That is what your theology teaches. That God owes YOU Grace.
After all Christ only died for you.
brightfame52
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Then its no more grace, you make it obligated. You saying God owes Grace
civic
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I see you reject scripture, duly noted. Those passages expose the errors in your man-made theology developed by Calvin.
Gods grace is for all mankind s the scriptures declare, not just the frozen chosen.
brightfame52
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Then its no more grace, you make it obligated. You saying God owes Grace
brightfame52
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Then its no more grace, you make it obligated. You saying God owes Grace
civic
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God gives it to all mankind like the Scriptures teach. Not some but ALL.
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praise_yeshua
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Read it again. You're not actually dealing with what I said. You're ignoring it.
You're the one claiming Grace and then denying it with claims that "God" does everything for you alone.
Believers receive the spirit
Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
Galatians 3:5 (NASB 2020) — 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
Galatians 3:14 (NASB 2020) — 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
John 7:38–39 (NASB 2020) — 38 The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 But this He said in reference to the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
unbelievers do not
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
brightfame52
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Then its no more grace, you make it obligated.
brightfame52
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If God owes all mankind grace since He gives it to only some, you make Grace an obligation, thats not Grace. Does God owe Mercy to all mankind ? Rom 9 15
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
praise_yeshua
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You're ignoring the fact that you believe God owes you Grace. You believe God is obligated to save you.
You're deflecting. The problem is with you. If God owes Grace to anyone, God owes it to everyone.
No. I don't believe God owes ANYONE... ANYTHING.
You're the one that believes God owes YOU.
The Rogue Tomato
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Seems like you just converted to monergism.
praise_yeshua
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I'm believe in Monergism and Synergism. Neither term is mutually exclusive relative to mutable humanity.
brightfame52
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If God owes all mankind grace since He gives it to only some, you make Grace an obligation, thats not Grace. Does God owe Mercy to all mankind ?
praise_yeshua
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My argument was based upon your words. Your words are illogical. You claim Grace for yourself and deny it others. If you're due Grace then all of humanity is due Grace.
My theology doesn't owe God anything but Praise for His Benevolence.
brightfame52
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If God owes all mankind grace since He gives it to only some, you make Grace an obligation, thats not Grace. Does God owe Mercy to all mankind ?
The Rogue Tomato
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Pretty sure God said he'll have mercy upon whom he'll have mercy. That means He decides on whom to give mercy, which also means He is under no obligation to have mercy on everyone.
praise_yeshua
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You just keep repeating the same "non answer". I have repeatedly tried to get you to understand the difference in what I've said and what you insist I'm saying.
YOU are the one that requires Grace from God. Not me. God doesn't owe me anything. Nothing. Zero
