The "hearing" game that Calvinists play

[civic]

It’s no different than the JW who sees all scripture saying Jesus was only a man and not God so they deny every passage that declares His deity just like the C who denies free will and only sees determinism.

 

[brightfame52]

You ignored the key portion of the text and address nothing

Um you twisted the scripture

Romans 11:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

The aim is not to limit salvation but expand it

How is it it showing mercy to all to prevent all from believing?

All were condemned under the law but the opportunity for salvation by faith was made available to all

I showed you why I believe a person is in the prison of unbelief from scripture, that settles it for me.

 

[brightfame52]

By hearing the word of God and believing it. Read Rom 10:8-13. Regeneration happens after believing in Christ, not before. Calvinism is built on falsehoods.

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Sorry hearing doesnt release a prisoner, thats saying a prisoner releases himself, since hearing is an act of a person. See being a prisoner in unbelief means you cant believe duh

 

[synergy]

Sorry hearing doesnt release a prisoner, thats saying a prisoner releases himself, since hearing is an act of a person. See being a prisoner in unbelief means you cant believe duh

Are you seriously saying that Paul is wrong when he declared the following or is your Calvinism wrong?

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

 

[brightfame52]

Are you seriously saying that Paul is wrong when he declared the following or is your Calvinism wrong?

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

No Paul not wrong, you are. Being in the prison of unbelief means you cant believe. God has one confined in unbelief.

 

[synergy]

No Paul not wrong, you are. Being in the prison of unbelief means you cant believe. God has one confined in unbelief.

So then you do believe that "the word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” and "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved". No mention of any regeneration before believing the word of God.

Excellent! Your calvinism just crashed and burned.

 

[brightfame52]

So then you do believe that "the word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” and "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved". No mention of any regeneration before believing the word of God.

Excellent! Your calvinism just crashed and burned.

I believe every word of that passage, why would you say I dont ? Do you believe it ?

 

[synergy]

I believe every word of that passage, why would you say I dont ? Do you believe it ?

The passages clearly show that everyone possesses the ability to choose to hear and to believe the Gospel and to be saved as a result. Do you believe Paul or not?

 

[brightfame52]

The passages clearly show that everyone possesses the ability to choose to hear and to believe the Gospel and to be saved as a result. Do you believe Paul or not?

That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose. Thats your concoction

 

[synergy]

That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose. Thats your concoction

Wrong. Paul clearly says that the word of God is near you and if you confess and believe Christ you will be saved. Do you deny that?

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong. Paul clearly says that the word of God is near you and if you confess and believe Christ you will be saved. Do you deny that?

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose.

 

[synergy]

That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose.

So when one chooses to confess, he is not choosing to do so? How does that make sense in the Calvinist alternate universe?

 

[brightfame52]

So when one chooses to confess, he is not choosing to do so? How does that make sense in the Calvinist alternate universe?

Again That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose. Its in your mind

 

[synergy]

Again That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose. Its in your mind

So if one does not choose to believe then what exactly happens? Does he get zapped with belief from above? Tell us exactly how the Calvinist alternate universe works. If you refuse to do so then we will know that you're too embarrassed to do so.

 

[brightfame52]

So if one does not choose to believe then what exactly happens? Does he get zapped with belief from above? Tell us exactly how the Calvinist alternate universe works. If you refuse to do so then we will know that you're too embarrassed to do so.

God gives the abilty/causes to believe, its given by grace Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

This can read w/o any harm " For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ to believe on him,but also to suffer for his sake

Nothing about you have the ability to choose, thats your concoction

 

[synergy]

God gives the abilty/causes to believe, its given by grace Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

This can read w/o any harm " For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ to believe on him,but also to suffer for his sake

Nothing about you have the ability to choose, thats your concoction

You're not answering my question. Who does the choosing? Is it God who zaps you or is it you?

We live in a cause/effect universe, not in a Calvinist alternate universe.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose.

Define "near you" .... "even in your mouth"?

 

[brightfame52]

You're not answering my question. Who does the choosing? Is it God who zaps you or is it you?

We live in a cause/effect universe, not in a Calvinist alternate universe.

God gives the abilty/causes to believe, its given by grace Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

This can read w/o any harm " For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ to believe on him,but also to suffer for his sake

Nothing about you have the ability to choose, thats your concoction

 

[brightfame52]

Define "near you" .... "even in your mouth"?

That passage says nothing about man having the ability to choose.

 

[synergy]

God gives the abilty/causes to believe, its given by grace Phil 1:29

Then you choose to believe that it's God that zaps you into belief. Got it.