The Doctrine of Imminence

ALL TRUTH with no pre-trib rapture declarations.
your just not happy unless me or someone else says YOUR RIGHT AND IM WRONG. sorry it aint going to happen . so lets not go down this road please not with me.. because i have disagreed with you.. i have yet to play the wrong Card on you .. i said i disagree
 
Hold up it does and yes Christ says deliver you up to tribulation But it does not say pre trib nor does it say he returns after trib, your making it say what you want. BTW in another forum i had the debate with a admin. when i stood my ground nose to nose . not long after that i got booted reason i argued to much ..


all i am telling you the word pre trib or returns at the end of the 7 year trib is not there once again be ready



whose truth are you telling yours ? if we was to bring bro Jeremiah in the forum. he would post scripture contrary to yours. you seem to have a problem with just be ready...... how do we become ready? if your truly Born again living for Christ YOUR READY .. so please dont try to play the hero i am the villian in error by quoting paul
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? lets not go there
Sorry to here you were booted.

Most of american christianity is run by bullies and pre-trib rapture is the stick they like to beat you with into submission.


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Hold up it does and yes Christ says deliver you up to tribulation But it does not say pre trib nor does it say he returns after trib, your making it say what you want. BTW in another forum i had the debate with a admin. when i stood my ground nose to nose . not long after that i got booted reason i argued to much ..


all i am telling you the word pre trib or returns at the end of the 7 year trib is not there once again be ready



whose truth are you telling yours ? if we was to bring bro Jeremiah in the forum. he would post scripture contrary to yours. you seem to have a problem with just be ready...... how do we become ready? if your truly Born again living for Christ YOUR READY .. so please dont try to play the hero i am the villian in error by quoting paul
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? lets not go there
actually i have and continue to promote "be ready"
 
tell ya what using scripture show me where it say PRE trib then show me where is show after tribulation rapture ..them exact words solo scripture

First i want to say that i only desire the BEST for you @ezra

There is nothing better then the words of Christ = Matthew ch24

the LORD says:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Peace to you @ezra
 
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Hold up it does and yes Christ says deliver you up to tribulation But it does not say pre trib nor does it say he returns after trib, your making it say what you want. BTW in another forum i had the debate with a admin. when i stood my ground nose to nose . not long after that i got booted reason i argued to much ..


all i am telling you the word pre trib or returns at the end of the 7 year trib is not there once again be ready



whose truth are you telling yours ? if we was to bring bro Jeremiah in the forum. he would post scripture contrary to yours. you seem to have a problem with just be ready...... how do we become ready? if your truly Born again living for Christ YOUR READY .. so please dont try to play the hero i am the villian in error by quoting paul
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? lets not go there
I’m pre trib but it doesn’t really matter since it’s not salvific . And I don’t care if it’s mid or post either. But to give someone the boot because they think differently is ridiculous on a forum.
 
I’m pre trib but it doesn’t really matter since it’s not salvific . And I don’t care if it’s mid or post either. But to give someone the boot because they think differently is ridiculous on a forum.
exactly my POINT
 
First i want to say that i only desire the BEST for you @ezra

There is nothing better then the words of Christ = Matthew ch24

the LORD says:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Peace to you @ezra
lol N.P see i knew in my challenge it could not be posted
 
i am not understanding you comment here

The LORD Jesus specifically said HE would not return until after the tribulation.
The return and rapture are not the same although it’s possible they happen at the same event. That’s why there are several different views
 
lol N.P see i knew in my challenge it could not be posted

The return and rapture are not the same although it’s possible they happen at the same event. That’s why there are several different views

the LORD and the Apostles specifically say that there will only be a rapture at His Second Coming

As a matter of fact & Truth = it is impossible for the rapture to occur before the Resurrection AND it is impossible for the Resurrection to occur before His Second Coming.

This is very clear and without regress in 1 Thessalonians as well as Matthew ch24 and 1 Corinthianians ch15 , Hebrews ch9 and 1 John

Maybe i missed some scripture that overrides the scriptures stated above

Please let me know if you have that - Thank You Brother
 
the LORD and the Apostles specifically say that there will only be a rapture at His Second Coming

As a matter of fact & Truth = it is impossible for the rapture to occur before the Resurrection AND it is impossible for the Resurrection to occur before His Second Coming.

This is very clear and without regress in 1 Thessalonians as well as Matthew ch24 and 1 Corinthianians ch15 , Hebrews ch9 and 1 John

Maybe i missed some scripture that overrides the scriptures stated above

Please let me know if you have that - Thank You Brother
the exact wording saying no pre tribulation as in thus saith scripture and your part tribulation rapture them exact words
 
the exact wording saying no pre tribulation as in thus saith scripture and your part tribulation rapture them exact words
Do you not believe the LORD Jesus who says: "Immediately after the tribulation.....so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

God Bless you ezra in your search for Truth
 
Immediately after the tribulation..
which tribulation? once again i been down this road paul wrote God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation. why would God bring a tribulation that strong delusions would be sent. .the wrath of God comes in great tribulation you can be here if you like.. i dont have plans on being here
 
which tribulation? once again i been down this road paul wrote God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation. why would God bring a tribulation that strong delusions would be sent. .the wrath of God comes in great tribulation you can be here if you like.. i dont have plans on being here
To me Pre-Tribulation Rapture makes sense historically and scripturally. In accordance with Jewish custom, when a man came of age to marry, he would add a room on to his father’s house for himself and his bride. When the addition was complete, and when the father gave the go-ahead, a trumpet would sound, and the bridegroom would go to meet his bride. Following the wedding ceremony, the bridegroom would take his bride to his father’s house, where they would be tucked away for seven days in the newly completed “bridal suite.” At the end of seven days, the bridegroom would come out with his bride and introduce her to the community.

That’s exactly what’s going to happen with us. Jesus, our Bridegroom, is preparing a place for us in heaven, His Father’s house.

At the appointed time known only by the Father, a trumpet will sound and Jesus will meet us, His bride, in the air to escort us up to the “Bridal Suite” He has prepared for us. We will remain with Him in heaven for seven years before we are presented to the world, where we will rule and reign with Him.
 
"Doctrines" are nothing but "Theology". ALL God's Chilluns gots "Theologies".

And Anyway, I've got a book that PROVES BIBLICALLY, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the rapture will DEFINITELY TAKE PLACE during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!!!

I can hardly wait!!!
Dang we got left behind:eek:
 
which tribulation? once again i been down this road paul wrote God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation. why would God bring a tribulation that strong delusions would be sent. .the wrath of God comes in great tribulation you can be here if you like.. i dont have plans on being here
You asked: "which tribulation?"

The Tribulation which the OT Prophets and the LORD Jesus and the Apsotles spoke of = Matthew ch24 , Daniel , 1st & 2nd Thess , Revelation

Believe JESUS words = He says to you: verse 25 "See, I have told you in advance."

Matthew chapter 24

3While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you.5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come.7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another,11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house.18And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

19How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers!20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath.21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

23At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
25See, I have told you in advance.

So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
 
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