The Thousand Year Reign

[praise_yeshua]

There is much hostility over the centuries of faith surrounding the "thousand year reign" mentioned only in the book of Revelation.

In review. Peter made it clear that he agreed with what Paul taught in the letter to believers at Thessaloniki.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peter referenced what Paul taught.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter references what Paul taught as one of the "days of the Lord". (Zec 14:1)

However, in the book of Revelation there appears to be an "extend" revelation of this event.

Lets discuss this if you will.

I'll start with Rev 7....

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them

With the "view" depicted above in mind, notice how many peoples are with the Lamb and what they're doing.

In the context of this discussion, this must be accounted for relative to what some believe about end time events. This most certainly happens after what most anyone accepts as the "tribulation". Regardless of when you place the "tribulation"... (which I place before destruction of the temple in 70AD). This is the view of post tribulation peoples and events.

Now lets reconcile this "thousand years/day" of the Lord.

I would make the argument that the amount of people depicted in this view would prevent accepting a physical reign of Christ on this earth. If you believe it doesn't, then please explain what timing is involved? If you say after the physical 1000 year reign. Then you have an event where Christ abandons these peoples that already exist and are with Him....... to only attend/worship Christ from time to time during that physical reign....

Please remember that Peter/Paul said clearly that "all the works therein will pass away". Complete and total destruction takes please on the earth when Jesus destroys the enemies of God when returning with all the saints. (First Resurrection). I know some believe in the Rapture (which contradicts the "first resurrection" language of Revelation.

Please share your thoughts/concerns.

 

[Dizerner]

I have no clue what this is yet.

Still praying about it after all these years.

 

[Grace ambassador]

op: Thousand year reign?

More thoughts related to this:

'Interpreting' Of Prophecy

@Dizerner, hope this helps.

Amen.

 

[Dizerner]

@Dizerner, hope this helps.

It didn't help, but I appreciate you trying.

 

[e v e]

don't be too angry on them .. they tried .. they could not have known how deviously the enemy corrupted what you said and what you expected .. you said you love all of them and will make them to dwell forever in your sacred garden .. wiping away all their - coming - tears saying I will be their deity and they will be my people .. - please always forgive us the sons and daughters of your people Jacob ...

 

[Studyman]

There is much hostility over the centuries of faith surrounding the "thousand year reign" mentioned only in the book of Revelation.

In review. Peter made it clear that he agreed with what Paul taught in the letter to believers at Thessaloniki.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peter referenced what Paul taught.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter references what Paul taught as one of the "days of the Lord". (Zec 14:1)

However, in the book of Revelation there appears to be an "extend" revelation of this event.

Lets discuss this if you will.

I'll start with Rev 7....

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them

With the "view" depicted above in mind, notice how many peoples are with the Lamb and what they're doing.

In the context of this discussion, this must be accounted for relative to what some believe about end time events. This most certainly happens after what most anyone accepts as the "tribulation". Regardless of when you place the "tribulation"... (which I place before destruction of the temple in 70AD). This is the view of post tribulation peoples and events.

Now lets reconcile this "thousand years/day" of the Lord.

I would make the argument that the amount of people depicted in this view would prevent accepting a physical reign of Christ on this earth. If you believe it doesn't, then please explain what timing is involved? If you say after the physical 1000 year reign. Then you have an event where Christ abandons these peoples that already exist and are with Him....... to only attend/worship Christ from time to time during that physical reign....

Please remember that Peter/Paul said clearly that "all the works therein will pass away". Complete and total destruction takes please on the earth when Jesus destroys the enemies of God when returning with all the saints. (First Resurrection). I know some believe in the Rapture (which contradicts the "first resurrection" language of Revelation.

Please share your thoughts/concerns.

A couple of things that help me to understand what is written that I have gained with study.

#1. Every human that ever "Yielded themselves to God" has end times and Tribulation. This is true from Abel to Stephen. Jesus confirms this in Matt. 7: 24,25, and the Hebrews author in Heb. 11, and in Matt. 24, when HE went to His Disciples privately to teach them that very thing. This Jesus says that he who endures to the end, "Shall be Saved". In Matt. 7: 24,25, HE tells us who will be able to Endure the Tribulation. (Storms in this life) As time goes on, knowledge will increase, but so will deceivers. It will and has always become more difficult to Believe in God as our end times approach. Just as you have said PY, I'll paraphrase something you once said, "Let's see how you feel when your body is falling apart, and you have to wear diapers or can't get out of bed", something like that. But certainly, that would be our end times. Moses, losing his temper right at the gate of the promised land. David, succumbing to the influence of wealth and power. Stephen, speaking the truth about the mainstream religions of his time, after they killed Jesus for doing the same thing.

But of the Masses, it is different.

Matt. 24: 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.


#2. Every person who denies themselves, and "Yield themselves" to God in belief/faith, has their Belief/Faith tested. From Abel to Shadrack, to Daniel, to Peter.

James 1: 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

1 Peter 4: 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; (Who was also tested and tried) that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1 Pet. 1: 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed "in the last time".

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory "at the appearing of Jesus Christ": 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; (I Love Jesus PY) in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, (I believe Jesus PY) ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. (He that endureth to the end, shall be saved, Words of My Lord and Savior)

These folks are being made Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God. This is where we get to the "1000 year reign", in my understanding.

There is a Holy Day of God, "a Feast of the Lord", which prophesies of a time when all humans born and died in ignorance, get their fair chance at Salvation. It's called the Last Great Day. (Last Day of the Feast of Tabernacles) Jesus taught the people on this Great Day of the Feast in John 7:37, and I believe Matt. 5 was Matthew's version of the same speech.

I believe, through Faith and Study, that after Jesus comes back and the dead are raised, God will put flesh back on the bones of men who died in ignorance, (Ez. 37) or as Ezekiel says, those who have not heard the "Word of the Lord".

I think the Faithful, who place their trust in God in this world, are being prepared to teach these people for a time. (Kings and Priests) The serpent will be turned loose again for a time, because God is no respecter of persons, to test men like He tested Adam and Jesus, to see who will choose to serve God and who will choose to serve Him not.

This is the short version, there is a lot that goes into it. But these are the results of study, apart from the religious sects and businesses of this world. Of course, we cannot know for sure, because we love and believe, having not seen.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have no clue what this is yet.

Still praying about it after all these years.

I would argue that there is no context of the length of time described after the "thousand year reign" in Revelation.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Obadiah]

Some interpreters take this as a literal thousand years. Others understand it as representing “a long but undetermined period of time.”

Many Jews of John’s time expected an earthly reign of the Messiah, but the length of it varied. One school saw history as a week of thousand-year “days”

Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8

As the six days of creation were followed by a day of rest, so there would be six thousand years of human history followed by a thousand years of sabbath-rest in the millennial kingdom. After that would be the eighth day—the eternal kingdom.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Some interpreters take this as a literal thousand years. Others understand it as representing “a long but undetermined period of time.”

Many Jews of John’s time expected an earthly reign of the Messiah, but the length of it varied. One school saw history as a week of thousand-year “days”

Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8

As the six days of creation were followed by a day of rest, so there would be six thousand years of human history followed by a thousand years of sabbath-rest in the millennial kingdom. After that would be the eighth day—the eternal kingdom.

I believe that 7th day is allegorical to our rest in Christ.

It is interesting to note that if the allegorical interpretation of the thousand year reign began about 70 AD, then the crusades were almost exactly 1000 years later.

 

[dwight92070]

We know that there is no seven year tribulation nor is there a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth in Jerusalem. Jesus spoke several times of "the last day", that is, there will be no more days after that. At least not on this earth. In fact, it is the last day when this earth will be burned up and a new heaven and a new earth will be created. We will spend eternity in the new heaven and the new earth, but no more days after "the last day".
John 6:39, 40, 44, and 54 and John 11:24
Did you notice that every one of these verses speak of "the last day" as being the day when we are resurrected. In four of the verses Jesus says He will raise us up on that "last day".
Paul speaks of "the last trumpet, also referring to the resurrection. 1 Cor. 15:52
In John 5:28-29, Jesus tells us that on that day, both the righteous and the unrighteous will be raised, the righteous to life, the unrighteous to judgment. There is not more than one resurrection, unless you count our spiritual resurrection or being born again as our first resurrection - Revelation 20:6 Then our second resurrection is our physical resurrection.
Many things happen on that last day: The 2nd Coming, the rapture, the resurrection, the judgment, the burning of this earth, and the creation of a new heaven and a new earth, then we will reign with Him forever. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2 Peter 3:7, 10-13 Notice Peter knows nothing about a 1000 year reign of Christ, nor a 7 year tribulation. To take 2 Peter 3:8 as a reference to the Millennium is a total misinterpretation. He is using a figure of speech to show that God doesn't count time as we do. He is patiently waiting for more people to get saved.
We know that Jesus' work here on earth is done: John 17:4 "I glorified you on the earth, I have finished the work which You have given Me to do."
"My kingdom is not of this world (and) ... not of this realm." John18:36 (Why would He take a demotion and rule as a king on this physical earth? He won't.) He is ruling now at the right hand of the Father and that will be forever.
The Bible speaks nowhere of a 7 year tribulation, nor of any more days on this earth after "the last day".

 

[Keiw1]

There is much hostility over the centuries of faith surrounding the "thousand year reign" mentioned only in the book of Revelation.

In review. Peter made it clear that he agreed with what Paul taught in the letter to believers at Thessaloniki.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peter referenced what Paul taught.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter references what Paul taught as one of the "days of the Lord". (Zec 14:1)

However, in the book of Revelation there appears to be an "extend" revelation of this event.

Lets discuss this if you will.

I'll start with Rev 7....

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them

With the "view" depicted above in mind, notice how many peoples are with the Lamb and what they're doing.

In the context of this discussion, this must be accounted for relative to what some believe about end time events. This most certainly happens after what most anyone accepts as the "tribulation". Regardless of when you place the "tribulation"... (which I place before destruction of the temple in 70AD). This is the view of post tribulation peoples and events.

Now lets reconcile this "thousand years/day" of the Lord.

I would make the argument that the amount of people depicted in this view would prevent accepting a physical reign of Christ on this earth. If you believe it doesn't, then please explain what timing is involved? If you say after the physical 1000 year reign. Then you have an event where Christ abandons these peoples that already exist and are with Him....... to only attend/worship Christ from time to time during that physical reign....

Please remember that Peter/Paul said clearly that "all the works therein will pass away". Complete and total destruction takes please on the earth when Jesus destroys the enemies of God when returning with all the saints. (First Resurrection). I know some believe in the Rapture (which contradicts the "first resurrection" language of Revelation.

Please share your thoughts/concerns.

Jesus brings Gods kingdom rule to All of creation( barring the abyss) here at Rev 19:11--He wipes all the wicked off of Gods Earth at that event. He abysses satan for the 1000 year reign.( no more satan influences)-This Earth gets transformed into an Eden(Paradise) during that reign. A resurrection occurs and all are made back to perfection during that reign as well. The new Earth = This earth back to perfection. Gods kingdom the only ruling power, A cure all for all mankind. No more satan ruling ever.
By Jesus' side during that reign are his anointed bride= 144,000 bought from the Earth( Rev 14:3) To rule as kings and priests on thrones( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- The great crowd remain on Earth forever( Matt 5:5,, Psalm 37:11,29,, Prov 2:21-22-- bible truth.

 

[101G]

ONE DAY? 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

in much Love, GL.

101G