The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

You are flat out denying Rev 3:21 where Jesus does in fact sit on his Father's Throne.

(Rev 3:21) To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Since Rev 3:21 blows up your false assertion in your face, the rest of your assertions can be thrown out the window. The Bible verses can stay.
Here's your train of thought and where it leads. Those who sit on the throne of Jesus are sitting on the throne of God. Therefore Christians are God. Oops! You stepped in some idolatry again sinergy. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about .
 
Jesus prayed to God in the 3rd person perspective and lectured Him about religions?
Jesus prayed directly to the Father and never lectured him on anything. Where do you see any lecturing. Produce the verse.
You got to be kidding me. Jesus was declaring who God is in his prayer. He didn't invite anyone to change the context. Where is there any mention of pagan gods or any other possible god of John 17:3???
You conveniently ran away again from the fact that Trinitarianism can't be the subject here because John 17:1,2,5 clearly supports the fact that Jesus is given exclusive God Glory by the Father, gives eternal life as only God can, and preexisted with the Father, as the Word of God who is God (John 1:1).

In fact, the Father called the Son "God" in Heb 1:8. So Trinitarianism is not what is spoken against in John 17:3. Only if one runs away from the context of John 17:1-5, Heb 1:8, John 8:58, John 1:1-14, and the whole Bible for that matter can one keep this unsupported hostile view of the Trinity.

Furthermore, are you seriously ignorant of the Ten Commandments and the first commandment? Are you seriously ignorant of the polytheism and idolatry of the Pagan Greeks? That shows that you are definitely a novice of history.
 
Here's your train of thought and where it leads. Only God is prayed to, the living creatures and elders got the prayers before God, therefore the living creatures and elders are God. Every hole you've run down is a dead end to idolatry.
So your myth of creatures and elders falling down and spilling their bowls is not enough? Now you want to promote the myth of them not actually delivering the prayers but instead consuming them themselves. You definitely have a fertile mind full of myths and fairy tales.
 
They taught the Messiah is a bonafide human who was be sacrificed by God, body, soul, and all for the sins of the people and that the Messiah is himself one of the people. None of them described him as pre-existing as God, or God incarnate, or a member of a triune godhead.

Isaiah 53
10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life d and be satisfied ;
by his knowledge f my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Nice try

Messiah is God

Zechariah 2:8-13
For this is what the Lord Almighty says: "After he has honored me and has sent me against the nations that have plundered you — for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye — 9 I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me.10 "Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the Lord. 11 "Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you. 12 The Lord will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13 Be still before the Lord, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."



Jeremiah 23:5-6
"The days are coming," declares the Lord,
"when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The Lord Our Righteousness.


Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.



Isaiah 9:6-7
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom,establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.

Micah 5:2
"But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity."

Daniel 7:9-14
I kept looking Until thrones were set up,
And the Ancient of Days took His seat;
His vesture was like white snow,
And the hair of His head like pure wool.
His throne was ablaze with flames,
Its wheels were a burning fire.
10 "A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat,
And the books were opened.
11 "Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 "As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.13 "I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven

One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Malachi 3:1-3
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the Lord of hosts. 2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. 3 "And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.

Malachi 4:5-6
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 "And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse."

Zechariah 12:1-10
This is the word of the Lord concerning Israel. The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him, declares: 2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the Lord. "I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, 'The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.'6 "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.7 "The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem's inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the Lord going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Matthew 1:22-24
22 Now all this took place that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which translated means, "God with us."

Hope this helps !!!
 
Jesus prayed directly to the Father and never lectured him on anything. Where do you see any lecturing. Produce the verse.
YOU are the one saying Jesus was speaking to God about the "prevailing issue at the time" [sic] i.e., idolatry and polytheism, which would then become a lecture to God about Him being the only true God. Jesus wasn't praying for the benefit of those around him, but rather worshipping God, which is why he was praying to God, and excluded himself from being God in his prayer.

You conveniently ran away again from the fact that Trinitarianism can't be the subject here because John 17:1,2,5 clearly supports the fact that Jesus is given exclusive God Glory by the Father, gives eternal life as only God can, and preexisted with the Father, as the Word of God who is God (John 1:1).
Of course Trinitarianism wasn't the subject here because Jesus wasn't speaking about idolatry and polytheism. The concept of the Trinity wasn't fully developed until centuries later. It wasn't even a gleam in anyone's eye. The only one being referred to as the ONLY TRUE GOD is the Father here. God is 100% equal to the Father. That's it. No mention of a Word or Son or Holy Spirit here. The one you also happen to call "father" in your trinity is the one Jesus calls Father, the only true God.
In fact, the Father called the Son "God" in Heb 1:8. So Trinitarianism is not what is spoken against in John 17:3. Only if one runs away from the context of John 17:1-5, Heb 1:8, John 8:58, John 1:1-14, and the whole Bible for that matter can one keep this unsupported hostile view of the Trinity.
Hebrews 1:8 is quoted from Psalm 45:6. In that original context of Psalm 45, Jesus wasn't there as the one who was being called God. The one being called God was actually a human king with a beautiful queen therefore the correct translation of who the human king with a queen is is not God but rather "a god" or simply "god" in the sense of being a kingly ruler or judge. When the writer of Hebrews 1:8 transferred this Psalm to Jesus then it didn't transfer from the original context that Jesus is being called God Almighty. Jesus is being called a god or god which is supported by the fact that the Word is not The God in John 1:1 and is, therefore, not God.
Furthermore, are you seriously ignorant of the Ten Commandments and the first commandment? Are you seriously ignorant of the polytheism and idolatry of the Pagan Greeks? That shows that you are definitely a novice of history.
The 10 commandments are perfectly clear that YHWH is the only true God and that any such worship of another is a damnable offense. This God named YHWH said He is the only God, there are no others. They called Him Father. Jesus, while on earth said to call no one on earth their father. Therefore Jesus is not God. You are in unrepentant sin and don't even know it. Sinergy is the perfect name for you.

Exodus 20​
4“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.​
5You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.​
Isaiah 45 (LSB)​
5I am Yahweh, and there is no other;
Besides Me there is no God.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me,​
Malachi 2 (LSB)​
10Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?​
Matthew 23​
9And do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.​
 
Here's your train of thought and where it leads. Those who sit on the throne of Jesus are sitting on the throne of God.
No! Rev 3:21 clearly shows that there are 2 different Thrones. For you to deny Rev 3:21 clearly shows that you are delusional.

What you're doing is that you are flat out denying Rev 3:21 where Jesus does in fact sit on his Father's Throne.

(Rev 3:21) To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Therefore Christians are God. Oops! You stepped in some idolatry again sinergy. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about .
Now you're resorting to ad hominems which means you've lost. You can call me anything you want. I don't care as that clearly shows to everyone that your beliefs have been exposed as judaizing heresies.
 
No! Rev 3:21 clearly shows that there are 2 different Thrones. For you to deny Rev 3:21 clearly shows that you are delusional.

What you're doing is that you are flat out denying Rev 3:21 where Jesus does in fact sit on his Father's Throne.

(Rev 3:21) To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Now you're resorting to ad hominems which means you've lost. You can call me anything you want. I don't care as that clearly shows to everyone that your beliefs have been exposed as judaizing heresies.
Your point regarding Revelation 3:21 is dirt poor theology. You are trying to take it one way while ignoring the fact that Christians are sitting on the throne of Jesus. You can't have it both ways. Either Christians are God and Jesus is God or neither of them are God. Basic logic 101. You lost now you're whining.

You have been shown how the throne of Jesus is not the throne of God which is not what Revelation 3:21 is even about.

In Revelation 4,5, and 7 the one on the throne being worshipped is not the Lamb. Go read it if you wish. You are not going to do it until you're ready anyway.
 
Nice try

Messiah is God

Zechariah 2:8-13
For this is what the Lord Almighty says: "After he has honored me and has sent me against the nations that have plundered you — for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye — 9 I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me.10 "Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the Lord. 11 "Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you. 12 The Lord will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13 Be still before the Lord, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."



Jeremiah 23:5-6
"The days are coming," declares the Lord,
"when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The Lord Our Righteousness.


Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.



Isaiah 9:6-7
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom,establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.

Micah 5:2
"But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity."

Daniel 7:9-14
I kept looking Until thrones were set up,
And the Ancient of Days took His seat;
His vesture was like white snow,
And the hair of His head like pure wool.
His throne was ablaze with flames,
Its wheels were a burning fire.
10 "A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat,
And the books were opened.
11 "Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 "As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.13 "I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven

One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Malachi 3:1-3
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the Lord of hosts. 2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. 3 "And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.

Malachi 4:5-6
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 "And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse."

Zechariah 12:1-10
This is the word of the Lord concerning Israel. The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him, declares: 2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the Lord. "I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, 'The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.'6 "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.7 "The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem's inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the Lord going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Matthew 1:22-24
22 Now all this took place that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which translated means, "God with us."

Hope this helps !!!
The messiah is a human who didn't know the difference between good and evil. He didn't inherently have a divine nature.

Isaiah 7 (NIV)
14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin d will conceive and give birth to a son, and e will call him Immanuel. 15He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
 
I believe all of scripture. Do you believe Matthew 6:6,9 where Jesus instructed his disciples how to pray and who to pray to?
No you do not

I have shown you adopt views contrary to scripture and even your own claims

Regarding the present situation you deny scripture here

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

1 John 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Acts 1:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

Revelation 5:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
 
Who is Stephen praying to?

And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Acts 7:59

Oh wait... that's not praying as he just got hit in the head with a rock and was delusional.
Now we know how some get their ideas (sic)

and deny Jesus was prayed to
 
No you do not

I have shown you adopt views contrary to scripture and even your own claims

Regarding the present situation you deny scripture here

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

1 John 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Acts 1:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

Revelation 5:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Yes I believe all of those Scriptures. Do I agree with your interpretation? No way. You have no idea how to rightly divide the Scripture or exegete it.
 
The messiah is a human who didn't know the difference between good and evil. He didn't inherently have a divine nature.

Isaiah 7 (NIV)
14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin d will conceive and give birth to a son, and e will call him Immanuel. 15He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
Can't but help noticing how much scripture you ignored
 
No, i saw only your assumption while you ignored multiple verses
So according to you, Immanuel (God with us) needs to know enough to reject the wrong and choose the right?

Isaiah 7 (NIV)
14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin d will conceive and give birth to a son, and e will call him Immanuel. 15He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
 
No idea what you're talking about. All the Unitarians said amen when Peter said “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God..." in Matthew 16:16. Are you brave enough to agree with Peter? Jesus said this is the answer about who he is as revealed by the Father.

Have any examples of anyone denying Jesus? Denying something he said?
We know.
 
So according to you, Immanuel (God with us) needs to know enough to reject the wrong and choose the right?

Isaiah 7 (NIV)
14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin d will conceive and give birth to a son, and e will call him Immanuel. 15He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
According to me you failed to address multiple verses of scripture

All trinitarians hold Jesus was both God and human and that as a human he had to grow and experience things which are normal for a human
 
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