The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[TomL]

So when Jesus defined what prayer is, your answer is just to reject it? That explains your atheistic attitude toward Scripture. So by praying to Jesus, you are committing the sin of idolatry. According to Scripture, prayer is reserved exclusively for the Lord God Almighty. I assure you, if you repent, it's fully pardonable. This is exactly why no one prayed to Jesus in the Bible.

That's a grab for Unitarianism.

Your Trinitarian philosophy simply cannot account for why Jesus is never described as having been prayed to in any clear or explicit language. Looks like Jesus isn't God.

Sorry Jesus did not define prayer. He gave an example

and you just ignored a clear example of prayer to Jesus

Here the prayers of the saint are offered up to the lamb

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

so even your argument the word prayer is not mentioned in relation to prayer to Jesus is false

as you run from yet another text

 

[Runningman]

Sorry Jesus did not define prayer. He gave an example

and you just ignored a clear example of prayer to Jesus

Here the prayers of the saint are offered up to the lamb

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

so even your argument the word prayer is not mentioned in relation to prayer to Jesus is false

as you run from yet another text

There is only one teaching and example of prayer in the Bible. Yes, praying to the Father is the defining example of prayer.

"When you pray.... pray to the Father" means that any time you pray, whenever, wherever, then pray to the Father. It's an imperative statement, it's a command. It means it's not optional if Jesus is your Lord.

When you pray, do you pray to the Father as Jesus taught in Matthew 6:6,9?

 

[Fred]

Colossians 1
3We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

No they are not. Far from it. There are no examples of prayer to Jesus in the Bible. You are really reaching here.

1 Timothy 1:12
I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who strengthened me, for He considered me faithful, putting me into the ministry.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/praying-to-jesus.2061/page-2#post-113341

 

[civic]

Pray in the format of addressing the Father. That's a prayer to the Father. Think about what you all are arguing against. Do you legit think you're on the right side of Jesus with the way you reject his teachings?

Matthew 6
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.

then all the OT prayers were not prayers at all since they did not start out

" our Father in heaven "

next fallacy

 

[civic]

1 Timothy 1:12
I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who strengthened me, for He considered me faithful, putting me into the ministry.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/praying-to-jesus.2061/page-2#post-113341

Yep !

 

[TomL]

There is only one teaching and example of prayer in the Bible. Yes, praying to the Father is the defining example of prayer.

"When you pray.... pray to the Father" means that any time you pray, whenever, wherever, then pray to the Father. It's an imperative statement, it's a command. It means it's not optional if Jesus is your Lord.

When you pray, do you pray to the Father as Jesus taught in Matthew 6:6,9?

You are running from the text

Sorry Jesus did not define prayer. He gave an example

and you just ignored a clear example of prayer to Jesus

Here the prayers of the saint are offered up to the lamb

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

so even your argument the word prayer is not mentioned in relation to prayer to Jesus is false

but I do both honoring the father something you fail to do

 

[Runningman]

1 Timothy 1:12
I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who strengthened me, for He considered me faithful, putting me into the ministry.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/praying-to-jesus.2061/page-2#post-113341

Colossians 1:3 says it's a prayer, your verse doesn't say it's a prayer. Thanking someone isn't a prayer by default. Thank you Fred. I didn't pray to you did I?

 

[Runningman]

then all the OT prayers were not prayers at all since they did not start out

" our Father in heaven "

next fallacy

Because YHWH is the Father. It isn't so much you must say "Father" as if those are the magic words or something. It's about Who you are praying to that is important. The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

You are running from the text

Sorry Jesus did not define prayer. He gave an example

and you just ignored a clear example of prayer to Jesus

Here the prayers of the saint are offered up to the lamb

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

so even your argument the word prayer is not mentioned in relation to prayer to Jesus is false

but I do both honoring the father something you fail to do

The example Jesus gave defines how prayer is to be conducted and to who.

The commandment Jesus gave is to pray to the Father. That's it. If you don't pray to the Father then you're disobeying him. You are not invited or at liberty to add to his words and pray to others according to what Jesus taught. You aren't the teacher, you aren't the leader, thank God.

Why do you insist on trying to void Jesus' teachings for your religion?

 

[civic]

Because YHWH is the Father. It isn't so much you must say "Father" as if those are the magic words or something. It's about Who you are praying to that is important. The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus.

Nope that’s your assumption and presuppositions you read into the Bible.

 

[Fred]

Thanking someone isn't a prayer by default.

You previously quoted Ephesians 5:20 in support that it is.

Thank you Fred.

You're welcome.

I didn't pray to you did I?

Nope, because not all Christians are to do so in reference to me.

You're welcome again.

 

[TomL]

The example Jesus gave defines how prayer is to be conducted and to who.

The commandment Jesus gave is to pray to the Father. That's it. If you don't pray to the Father then you're disobeying him. You are not invited or at liberty to add to his words and pray to others according to what Jesus taught. You aren't the teacher, you aren't the leader, thank God.

Why do you insist on trying to void Jesus' teachings for your religion?

Sorry it is an example it does not say to pray only to the Father

And you are ignoring the fact we see prayers were offered to the Lamb/Jesus

Why are you ignoring multiple biblical examples?

 

[TomL]

You previously quoted Ephesians 5:20 in support that it is.

So running man adopts arguments which are contrary to even his own claims to deny Christ the honor the father would have him to be honored with and In doing so he dishonors the Father

 

[Fred]

So running man adopts arguments which are contrary to even his own claims to deny Christ the honor the father would have him to be honored with and In doing so he dishonors the Father

His consistency is a total train wreck.

 

[TomL]

His consistency is a total train wreck.

Yep he does the same thing trying to argue against John 1:1

 

[Fred]

Yep he does the same thing trying to argue against John 1:1

His doctrine is vomit.

 

[Runningman]

You previously quoted Ephesians 5:20 in support that it is.



You're welcome.



Nope, because not all Christians are to do so in reference to me.

You're welcome again.

Colossians 1:3 says it's a prayer, your verse doesn't say it's a prayer. Thank you for showing it to me though. I hope you don't think I am ever praying to you when I thank you.

 

[Runningman]

Nope that’s your assumption and presuppositions you read into the Bible.

Malahci and I are assuming the Father is YHWH?

Malachi 2
10Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The definition of prayer is the one Jesus gave. It means to pray to the Father. That's it. Why do you not believe?

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9“This, then, is how you should pray:
“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,

Colossians 1
3We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

No they are not. Far from it. There are no examples of prayer to Jesus in the Bible. You are really reaching here.


There's the contradiction in your theology. Since you don't have any verses that objectively say to pray to Jesus, when someone does the same thing John and the Elder did, but rather to Jesus instead, your definition of the exchange in communication is completely subjective based on a theology. Your theology is not Scripture.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Just how does anyone get rest without Jesus and without asking for it?

Jas 4:2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.

Again. You can't understand English. Much less any Biblical language.

 

[Runningman]

Sorry it is an example it does not say to pray only to the Father

And you are ignoring the fact we see prayers were offered to the Lamb/Jesus

Why are you ignoring multiple biblical examples?

So you don't think Jesus is the authority on prayer? Then who is? Your theologians and dictionaries? Jesus said pray to the Father, you are saying pray to Jesus. The word of God rebukes you.