The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[TomL]

You're going to wear yourself fighting against the Bible and me. I stay in every thread I open until I get the last word.

Buckle down Tom, I will be here in this thread for years Lord willing.

We have already debunked prayer to Jesus using solid, straight, scripture in this thread

Recap. There are no verses that mention any such thing about communicating with Jesus was a prayer. There are also no verses that teach to pray to Jesus.

Wow imagine a book where there isn't even one solid, clear, example about praying to Jesus. Sounds like Jesus isn't God.

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

Once again you have no response but denial

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make request to Christ as to a deity?

 

[Runningman]

Once again you have no response but denial

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make request to Christ as to a deity?

And? No one prayed to Jesus in the Bible. There isn't a semantical argument to help you on this one. I haven't seen one yet if there is.

 

[TomL]

And? No one prayed to Jesus in the Bible. There isn't a semantical argument to help you on this one. I haven't seen one yet if there is.

Sorry that is simply bald denial of text

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make requests to Christ as to a deity?

Your bald denials show you are not concerned with truth

 

[civic]

Once again you have no response but denial

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make request to Christ as to a deity?

spot on !!!

 

[Runningman]

Sorry that is simply bald denial of text

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make requests to Christ as to a deity?

Your bald denials show you are not concerned with truth

Seriously. Where are you seeing Jesus being addressed in prayer anywhere in any of the verses you're showing? I have already read this. I have already read the Bible. I have already researched it. Where do you see anyone praying to Jesus? Quoting the book, chapter, and verse will suffice.

 

[TomL]

Seriously. Where are you seeing Jesus being addressed in prayer anywhere in any of the verses you're showing? I have already read this. I have already read the Bible. I have already researched it. Where do you see anyone praying to Jesus? Quoting the book, chapter, and verse will suffice.

In every one of them

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make requests to Christ as to a deity?

Your bald denials show you are not concerned with truth

 

[TomL]

spot on !!!

I never seen such bald denials

 

[Runningman]

Sorry that is simply bald denial of text

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make requests to Christ as to a deity?

Your bald denials show you are not concerned with truth

To the best of my understanding of what you're saying, you seem to be saying that when someone calls out to Jesus, even though it doesn't say they prayed to Jesus in any of the verses in the Bible, that that is what your idea of prayer is. Fortunately, that's false, because if that were the case then what you and I are doing could hypothetically be a prayer to one another. You have presented a very bad foundation for your theology.

Additionally, you may say "but but but... they are speaking to Jesus while he's in heaven!" so? John and an elder communicated to and from heaven without it being identified as a prayer.

Revelation 7
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

With that being said, the criteria for prayer wasn't met. 1, Jesus never taught anyone to pray to him. 2, the Bible doesn't sayanyone ever prayed to Jesus. 3, what Stephen did to Jesus, John did the exact same thing to an elder, 4, the Bible doesn't teach to pray to Jesus, but rather the Father in Matthew 6:6,9

And 5, and perhaps the best reason, Jesus taught to not pray to him.

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

 

[civic]

I never seen such bald denials

it reminds me of Milton on the old CARM forum.

 

[Runningman]

In every one of them

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make requests to Christ as to a deity?

Your bald denials show you are not concerned with truth

I have never seen such obstinance and incorrigibility. So none of those mention anything about praying to Jesus.

In 2 Cor. 12:8-9, the Lord Paul is talking to isn't Jesus. That's the Father.

2 Cor. 13:14 isn't addressed to Jesus as a prayer.

Acts 7:59-60 doesn't say it's a prayer.

1 Cor. 1:2 doesn't say it's a prayer.

1 John 5:13-15 doesn't mention prayer and it's about asking the Father as Scripture teaches.

See why no one prayed to him in the Bible now?

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

 

[TomL]

To the best of my understanding of what you're saying, you seem to be saying that when someone calls out to Jesus, even though it doesn't say they prayed to Jesus in any of the verses in the Bible, that that is what your idea of prayer is. Fortunately, that's false, because if that were the case then what you and I are doing could hypothetically be a prayer to one another. You have presented a very bad foundation for your theology.

Do you possess any understanding of what pray is?

I posted a definition

You did not respond to it nor did you show how the examples posted differ from the definition

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


and of course the present text

2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

and this is a benediction another form of prayer

2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

and address neither the definition with the corresponding examples or the benediction



προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai), VB. pray. Hebrew equivalent: פלל (38). Aramaic equivalent: צלה (1).

Verb Usage

1. to pray — to address a deity or say a prayer; often to make a request



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

Can you deny men make requests to Christ as to a deity?

Your bald denials show you are not concerned with truth

John in heaven talking to the elders in heaven is simply not the same as someone on earth speaking to Jesus in heaven asking him to do things which are a function of deity and can be responded to only by deity

 

[Runningman]

Do you possess any understanding of what pray is?

I posted a definition

You did not respond to it nor did you show how the examples posted differ from the definition

The definition of prayer is the one Jesus gave. It means to pray to the Father. That's it. Why do you not believe?

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9“This, then, is how you should pray:
“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,

Colossians 1
3We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

all these examples are examples of prayer to Jesus

No they are not. Far from it. There are no examples of prayer to Jesus in the Bible. You are really reaching here.

John in heaven talking to the elders in heaven is simply not the same as someone on earth speaking to Jesus in heaven asking him to do things which are a function of deity and can be responded to only by deity

There's the contradiction in your theology. Since you don't have any verses that objectively say to pray to Jesus, when someone does the same thing John and the Elder did, but rather to Jesus instead, your definition of the exchange in communication is completely subjective based on a theology. Your theology is not Scripture.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Seriously. Where are you seeing Jesus being addressed in prayer anywhere in any of the verses you're showing? I have already read this. I have already read the Bible. I have already researched it. Where do you see anyone praying to Jesus? Quoting the book, chapter, and verse will suffice.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

[TomL]

The definition of prayer is the one Jesus gave. It means to pray to the Father. That's it. Why do you not believe?

Sorry that is but an example

Do you seriously think the only time one speaks to God and has a petition, they just say the lord's prayer.

God wants you to honor the son as you honor the father.

By refusing to pray to Jesus you dishonor the father

Here the prayers of the saint are offered up to the lamb

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

so even your argument the word prayer is not mentioned in relation to prayer to Jesus is false

 

[TomL]

There's the contradiction in your theology. Since you don't have any verses that objectively say to pray to Jesus, when someone does the same thing John and the Elder did, but rather to Jesus instead, your definition of the exchange in communication is completely subjective based on a theology. Your theology is not Scripture.

Sorry it is not the same thing which I repeatly pointed out and you just ignore

John in heaven talking to the elders in heaven is simply not the same as someone on earth speaking to Jesus in heaven asking him to do things which are a function of deity and can be responded to only by deity

you never address this

 

[Runningman]

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

That was while Jesus was standing next to them on earth which would not be a prayer. After he went to heaven, he left these instructions on who to ask.

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

 

[civic]

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

living deep in the murky waters of De Nile.

 

[Runningman]

Sorry that is but an example

Do you seriously think the only time one speaks to God and has a petition, they just say the lord's prayer.

God wants you to honor the son as you honor the father.

By refusing to pray to Jesus you dishonor the father

Here the prayers of the saint are offered up to the lamb

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

so even your argument the word prayer is not mentioned in relation to prayer to Jesus is false

So when Jesus defined what prayer is, your answer is just to reject it? That explains your atheistic attitude toward Scripture. So by praying to Jesus, you are committing the sin of idolatry. According to Scripture, prayer is reserved exclusively for the Lord God Almighty. I assure you, if you repent, it's fully pardonable. This is exactly why no one prayed to Jesus in the Bible.

That's a grab for Unitarianism.

Your Trinitarian philosophy simply cannot account for why Jesus is never described as having been prayed to in any clear or explicit language. Looks like Jesus isn't God.

 

[civic]

So when Jesus defined what prayer is, your answer is just to reject it? That explains your atheistic attitude toward Scripture. So by praying to Jesus, you are committing the sin of idolatry. According to Scripture, prayer is reserved exclusively for the Lord God Almighty. I assure you, if you repent, it's fully pardonable. This is exactly why no one prayed to Jesus in the Bible.

That's a grab for Unitarianism.

Your Trinitarian philosophy simply cannot account for why Jesus is never described as having been prayed to in any clear or explicit language. Looks like Jesus isn't God.

the " Lords " prayer is just a guideline where He was answering a direct question for His disciples. If it was the only way a person could pray then all the prayers in scripture were in vain.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

the " Lords " prayer is just a guideline where He was answering a direct question for His disciples. If it was the only way a person could pray then all the prayers in scripture were in vain.

hope this helps !!!

Pray in the format of addressing the Father. That's a prayer to the Father. Think about what you all are arguing against. Do you legit think you're on the right side of Jesus with the way you reject his teachings?

Matthew 6
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.