The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[civic]

Then you admit Jesus is not the invisible God.

Remember that pickle you talked about earlier? You're in it.

its your twisting of scripture that you are struggling with - Jesus words/teaching haunts you.

 

[Runningman]

You flat out contradict John 6:46 that precludes the possibility that it's the Father appearing to anyone except Christ.

John 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God, He has seen the Father.

Jesus didn't contradict himself in John 14:7. There is a timeline here as the plot and narrative develops. The disciples came to see God in the same way Jesus can because Jesus explained God. Don't forget, God is invisible so not even Jesus can literally see God. Can you prove otherwise?

 

[Runningman]

its your twisting of scripture that you are struggling with - Jesus words/teaching haunts you.

Blah blah blah more gaslighting. No, my friend. I am quite content and happy, especially in a theological sense, because you have plainly showed me your willingness to contradict yourself and cling to an undeserved sense of achievement.

 

[synergy]

Yes indeed !!!

This is great stuff we're accumulating from Runningman. It is great material on how to defend Christ's Divinity from a myriad of heretical thoughts and poor reading comprehension.

 

[civic]

Blah blah blah more gaslighting. No, my friend. I am quite content and happy, especially in a theological sense, because you have plainly showed me your willingness to contradict yourself and cling to an undeserved sense of achievement.

I have no contradictions Jesus claimed to be God when He said to see Him was to see the Father.

The Father is invisible, not the Son.

next fallacy

 

[synergy]

Jesus didn't contradict himself in John 14:7. There is a timeline here as the plot and narrative develops. The disciples came to see God in the same way Jesus can because Jesus explained God. Don't forget, God is invisible so not even Jesus can literally see God. Can you prove otherwise?

You don't believe God (Preincarnate Jesus) appeared to Moses?????

Is everything that Moses wrote, a lie????

 

[Runningman]

I have no contradictions Jesus claimed to be God when He said to see Him was to see the Father.

The Father is invisible, not the Son.

next fallacy

The Father is invisible... God is invisible... the Son is not invisible. Whew. So looks like you're saying Jesus isn't God.

Here's a question... why does the Bible say the Son of Man descended from heaven but it never says the Son of God descended from heaven?

 

[synergy]

This is great stuff we're accumulating from Runningman. It is great material on how to defend Christ's Divinity from a myriad of heretical thoughts and poor reading comprehension.

@civic Take notes of all the arguments Runningman issues out and how we defend them. It's a good case study on how heretics end up in a theological dead end of their own making.

 

[synergy]

The Father is invisible... God is invisible... the Son is not invisible. Whew. So looks like you're saying Jesus isn't God.

Here's a question... why does the Bible say the Son of Man descended from heaven but it never says the Son of God descended from heaven?

Before you go off to a thousand rabbit holes, why don't you answer my questions below?

Jesus didn't contradict himself in John 14:7. There is a timeline here as the plot and narrative develops. The disciples came to see God in the same way Jesus can because Jesus explained God. Don't forget, God is invisible so not even Jesus can literally see God. Can you prove otherwise?

You don't believe God (Preincarnate Jesus) appeared to Moses?????

Is everything that Moses wrote, a lie????

 

[Runningman]

Before you go off to a thousand rabbit holes, why don't you answer my questions below?

You don't believe God (Preincarnate Jesus) appeared to Moses?????

Is everything that Moses wrote, a lie????

So your response to my question is to not answer me, ask your own question, then when I don't answer you the same way you didn't answer me, you try to get me to answer you?

 

[Runningman]

@civic Take notes of all the arguments Runningman issues out and how we defend them. It's a good case study on how heretics end up in a theological dead end of their own making.

You're going to need to sharpen those theological teeth a bit more if you want to actually have these sort of "Unitarian's demise" debates.

The Trinitarian's Demise is that the doctrine is not even described or explained in the Bible lol. No one even took a moment to say "Now on the matter of the God being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.... etc etc etc etc" None at all or anything close to that.

 

[civic]

You're going to need to sharpen those theological teeth a bit more if you want to actually have these sort of "Unitarian's demise" debates.

The Trinitarian's Demise is that the doctrine is not even described or explained in the Bible lol. No one even took a moment to say "Now on the matter of the God being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.... etc etc etc etc" None at all or anything close to that.

The unitarian's Demise is that the doctrine is not even described or explained in the Bible lol. No one even took a moment to say "Now on the matter of the God being 1 person etc etc etc etc" None at all or anything close to that.

hope this helps !!!

 

[synergy]

So your response to my question is to not answer me, ask your own question, then when I don't answer you the same way you didn't answer me, you try to get me to answer you?

My question concerned this statement of yours:

Don't forget, God is invisible so not even Jesus can literally see God.

Here is my question:

You don't believe God (Preincarnate Jesus) appeared to Moses?????

Is everything that Moses wrote, a lie????

It's obvious that you hit a dead end here. That's why you refuse to answer my question.

In contrast to heretics who refuse to answer questions, Trinitarians are willing to do so but we do not have time for a thousand rabbit holes.

My answer to your question is very easy. There are people and angels that are called "sons of God" but there is only one Son of Man.

 

[civic]

My question concerned this statement of yours:

Here is my question:

It's obvious that you hit a dead end here. That's why you refuse to answer my question.

In contrast to heretics who refuse to answer questions, Trinitarians are willing to do so but we do not have time for a thousand rabbit holes.

My answer to your question is very easy. There are people and angels that are called "sons of God" but there is only one Son of Man.

Yep up a creek without a paddle

 

[Runningman]

My question concerned this statement of yours:

Here is my question:

It's obvious that you hit a dead end here. That's why you refuse to answer my question.

In contrast to heretics who refuse to answer questions, Trinitarians are willing to do so but we do not have time for a thousand rabbit holes.

My answer to your question is very easy. There are people and angels that are called "sons of God" but there is only one Son of Man.

Your questions are easy. You just need to answer my questions and you will get yours answered. You aren't scared of my questions are you?

 

[synergy]

Your questions are easy. You just need to answer my questions and you will get yours answered. You aren't scared of my questions are you?

I did answer your question. Here's the proof:

My answer to your question is very easy. There are people and angels that are called "sons of God" but there is only one Son of Man.

Now what's your next false excuse to avoid answering my question?

 

[charismaticlady]

nope you are conflating the Father with the Son

next fallacy

You and your big words I have to look up!

 

[charismaticlady]

The Father is invisible... God is invisible... the Son is not invisible. Whew. So looks like you're saying Jesus isn't God.

Here's a question... why does the Bible say the Son of Man descended from heaven but it never says the Son of God descended from heaven?

Think of it this way. The way Jesus "sees" the Father is in His mind. And 1 Corinthians 2:16 says that we have the mind of Christ. This is how we are one and the born again have a divine nature.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

They are a much bigger fish to fry. The Deity of Christ is the biggest issue of the 21st century. Who knows, we might build an alliance with Calvinists on that theme. Strange how life can takes twists and turns.

I don't understand how such doctrine can be the "biggest issue" of the 21st century, or any century whatsoever.
Does the Bible predict a conflict between those who believe Christ is God and those who think He is the Messiah, the Son of God?
Does the Bible predict that in the Final Judgement Christ will separate the saved from the damned based on whether they believe one thing or the other?

Let us take whatever teaching or commandment from Jesus, that is vital to our salvation, that would be followed by those who believe He is God but not be followed by those who believe He is the Son of God, the Messiah.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

That blows away all Cults and Heresies that claim that they directly see the Father. That's Unitarians, Judaizers, Mormons, the Baha'i (I think), that I can immediately think of.

Just a clarification: Baha'is do not think we can directly see the Father. That's precisely one of the beauties and blessings of believing in the Manifestations of God. We "see" the Father's attributes (love, justice, wisdom, etc) through them.

Regarding "Judaizers" I don't know which people you are specifically talking about, because as I mentioned before, the term was given to Christian converts who demanded the observance of the Law of Moses to be considered Christian. But if you meant Jews or Messianic Jews, none of them think they can see the Father directly.

Mormons do think that Joseph Smith saw the Father directly, and that he realized He has a physical body.

Christian Unitarians, as far as I know, don't think they see the Father directly.