David Koberstein
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Unfounded conjecture and ignorance on your part.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Runningman
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Which are what?
David Koberstein
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You distortions on the Trinity, Yeshua Hamashiach and the Ruach Hakodesh.
You are on the wrong forum. I'm sure there is a pagan and a false cult forum somewhere out there that fits you and your limited biblical knowledge.
Runningman
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Reads like you are having an emotional outburst. Where is the scripture that proves the Trinity then?
civic
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In fact the Bible commands believers to pray to Jesus and the Apostles prayed to Him.
John 14:14
14 "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
Acts 1:24-26
And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen 25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." 26And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell to Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles
Acts 7:55-60
5 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. 58When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.
Acts 8:22
"Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you
1 Corinthians 1:1-2
Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
2 Cor 12:8-10
8 Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
hope this helps !!!
Runningman
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None of those verses say they prayed to Jesus. No one taught to pray to Jesus in the bible did they?
civic
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Yes Jesus and the Apostles taught prayer to Christ. Try reading the passages with comprehension instead of your denial and presuppositions.
John 14:14
14 "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
Acts 1:24-26
And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen 25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." 26And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell to Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles
Acts 7:55-60
5 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. 58When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.
Acts 8:22
"Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you
1 Corinthians 1:1-2
Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
2 Cor 12:8-10
8 Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
hope this helps !!!
Runningman
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I don't see any mention of the word "pray" when they spoke to Jesus or a teaching about prayer to Jesus. It doesn't exist.
So it's your position that if you talk to someone in heaven then it's automatically a prayer? So John and the elder prayed to each other then?
Revelation 7
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied...
civic
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I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where the Father says “ I Am God”
See how this works .
What does it means to ask God? Beseech the Lord ?
Are you saying when man talks to God, asks Him things it’s not prayer ? Is that your position ?
Runningman
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People call the Father God all over the Bible. That's undeniable so don't play like you don't know.
Where did anyone ever directly, clearly, plainly, explicitly say anything about "praying" to Jesus? None?
Where did anyone ever teach about praying to the Father? Jesus did that in Matthew 6:6,9!
Talking to God is prayer, speaking to someone standing next to you or someone in heaven besides God isn't prayer.
civic
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Talking to God is prayer your words. I quoted several passages where many talked with Jesus who was in heaven.
Game, set and match
Runningman
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Jesus isn't God though. Only the Father is God. There is only example and teaching about praying to the Father.
civic
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Then they were sinning committing idolatry since they prayed to Christ. Plus Jesus said ask Him anything in His name and He would do it. Jesus words and the disciples did just that upon His departure to heaven. Only God is the one believers pray to yet we see the disciples praying to Him because He is God.
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Runningman
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To all,
there are no examples of the word "prayer" being used in conjunction with speaking to Jesus and no teachings regarding prayer to Jesus in the Bible. That means Jesus isn't God.
Here's what you need to know about prayer concerning what Jesus taught.
Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
there are no examples of the word "prayer" being used in conjunction with speaking to Jesus and no teachings regarding prayer to Jesus in the Bible. That means Jesus isn't God.
Here's what you need to know about prayer concerning what Jesus taught.
Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
civic
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You are on record saying talking is prayer
Runningman
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That doesn't follow from a sound conclusion because it doesn't say they prayed to Jesus nor did Jesus teach them to.
According to the teachings of Jesus, the Father is the one who doing the giving.
John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
James was on board as well.
James 1
17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow.
Runningman
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I didn't say "talking" is prayer. I said talking to God is prayer, talking to Jesus is not a prayer.
David Koberstein
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Yes the verses and the verses I gave you exactly refute your false and heretic teaching. Your main purpose is to strip Yeshua from the Godhead. How blasphemous and disrespectful are you? I didn't think people like you could sink that low.
David Koberstein
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You are on record of saying that. Your lies never seem to end.
