The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

yes and He said He was/is God which is why the Jews tried killing Him several times for claiming to be God and equal with God.

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No he didn't say he was God. They tried to kill Jesus because they were already plotting to murder him. Jesus denied being God in John 10.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

This doesn't require any Greek scholarship. I assume you know how to read and know what a lexicon is. Let me show you how the word God isn't in Acts 7:59.
source: https://biblehub.com/lexicon/acts/7-59.htm

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​ NASB Lexicon​ ​ [td width="18%"]NASB ©

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[td width="19%"]Greek[/td][td width="27%"]Strong's[/td][td width="28%"]Origin[/td]

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They went on stoning

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[td]ἐλιθοβόλουν
(elithoboloun)[/td]

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3036: to pelt with stones, to stone

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from lithos and balló

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Stephen

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[td]Στέφανον
(stephanon)[/td]

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4736: "crown," Stephen, the first Christian martyr

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the same as stephanos

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as he called

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[td]ἐπικαλούμενον
(epikaloumenon)[/td]

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1941: to call upon

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from epi and kaleó

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[td]
on [the Lord] and said,

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[td]λέγοντα
(legonta)[/td]

[td]
3004: to say

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a prim. verb

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"Lord

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[td]κύριε
(kurie)[/td]

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2962: lord, master

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from kuros (authority)

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Jesus,

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[td]Ἰησοῦ
(iēsou)[/td]

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2424: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.

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of Hebrew origin Yehoshua

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receive

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[td]δέξαι
(dexai)[/td]

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1209: to receive

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a prim. verb

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my spirit!"

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[td]πνεῦμα
(pneuma)[/td]

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4151: wind, spirit

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from pneó

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Just wait , there will other lexicons which will even disagree with your lexicon .
THE fact remains , MEN did this . THE BIBLE is and can be learned for oneself .
You just wait , there are men who Do beleive contrary to you
and watch as they bring their own lexicon etc . MEN are using these devices for what seems like greater learning
but often even the men who brought them made mistakes themselves .
I suggest you read JUST the bible for yourself .

 

[Runningman]

MY WORD shall not RETURN VOID .
GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT . and this is a fact friend . its one that might be hard to be understood at first
BUT IT IS A FACT .

Nonsense. 1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word a thing. John 1:1 is best understood as personfication.

 

[Runningman]

Just wait , there will other lexicons which will even disagree with your lexicon .
THE fact remains , MEN did this . THE BIBLE is and can be learned for oneself .
You just wait , there are men who Do beleive contrary to you
and watch as they bring their own lexicon etc . MEN are using these devices for what seems like greater learning
but often even the men who brought them made mistakes themselves .
I suggest you read JUST the bible for yourself .

There are variations in manuscripts, but the earliest and best manuscripts do not say God in Acts 7:59. Just wait. When you research this you'll find out.

 

[civic]

No he didn't say he was God. They tried to kill Jesus because they were already plotting to murder him. Jesus denied being God in John 10.

The Father never says: I Am God

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[Runningman]

The Father never says: I Am God

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Thomas didn't say he was God either. We know from the evidence in the Bible that the Father is the only true God.

 

[MTMattie]

But he , the Father, calls his Son God.

You never ever address this.

 

[Runningman]

But he , the Father, calls his Son God.

You never ever address this.

and Jesus called the Israelites gods too. There are different senses in which the word god can be used in Hebrews culture and it isn't always a reference to God Almighty.

 

[mikesw]

and Jesus called the Israelites gods too. There are different senses in which the word god can be used in Hebrews culture and it isn't always a reference to God Almighty.

Ps 82 presents a rebuke of Israel people, not an advancement to being gods. But you keep repeating your misinterpretation. So, definitely that is not a reasonable argument.

 

[civic]

Thomas didn't say he was God either. We know from the evidence in the Bible that the Father is the only true God.

Nope strawman alert

John calls Christ the True God and Eternal Life.

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Back to the Unitarian drawing board

 

[Runningman]

Ps 82 presents a rebuke of Israel people, not an advancement to being gods. But you keep repeating your misinterpretation.

Psalm 82 and John 10... they are gods and the Scripture cannot be broken. Jesus is a god in the same sense as the others who were also the sons of the Most High. Therefore being son of God is not a God title.

 

[Runningman]

Nope strawman alert

John calls Christ the True God and Eternal Life.

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Back to the Unitarian drawing board

The title "true God" is a reference back to the previously mentioned God.

Son = Jesus
of
God = Father

Easy.

 

[mikesw]

Psalm 82 and John 10... they are gods and the Scripture cannot be broken. Jesus is a god in the same sense as the others who were also the sons of the Most High. Therefore being son of God is not a God title.

That is not only bad interpretation. I would say it is a dark misinterpretation. On this point of discussion about the divinity of Christ, you should have progressed much more carefully -- not just throw passages that have no substance to your stance.

 

[Runningman]

That is not only bad interpretation. I would say it is a dark misinterpretation

Jesus is basically saying he is not God because he is the son of the Most High just like the others, and that makes them all gods, contrary to their absurd accusations that he had just claimed to be God Almighty.

John 10
34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? 35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

 

[mikesw]

Jesus is basically saying he is not God because he is the son of the Most High just like the others, and that makes them all gods, contrary to their absurd accusations that he had just claimed to be God Almighty.

John 10
34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? 35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

I edited my response to show --On this point of discussion about the divinity of Christ, you should have progressed much more carefully -- not just throw passages that have no substance to your stance. You are calling curses on yourself for such negligence. Pay some attention when people have revealed total fallacy in what you post.

 

[Runningman]

I edited my response to show --On this point of discussion about the divinity of Christ, you should have progressed much more carefully -- not just throw passages that have no substance to your stance. You are calling curses on yourself for such negligence. Pay some attention when people have revealed total fallacy in what you post.

Let's try again. After Jesus proved they are gods because the word of god came to them, he asked "what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?" He's god too, right? Or do you now deny that Jesus is a god like the others? Think about what you're saying carefully before you issue blanket denials of what the Bible says. Please continue.

 

[mikesw]

Let's try again. After Jesus proved they are gods because the word of god came to them, he asked "what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?" He's god too, right? Or do you now deny that Jesus is a god like the others? Think about what you're saying carefully before you issue blanket denials of what the Bible says. Please continue.

You are calling curses on yourself for such negligence. There. I have continued.
Psalm 82 in light of John 10 was about the people to whom the word of God came. That was one generation at Mt. Sinai.

 

[Runningman]

You are calling curses on yourself for such negligence. There. I have continued.

Wow. That's a lot of Trinitarians who are calling curses upon themselves according to you. I take it you haven't read any commentaries on this passage?

 

[Runningman]

Psalm 82 in light of John 10 was about the people to whom the word of God came. That was one generation at Mt. Sinai.

And Jesus was speaking to a different generation who was not on Mt. Sinai. It applies universally to God's children. Besides, God's words came to Jesus as well. Didn't you know Jesus got all of his teachings and doctrines from the Father?

 

[mikesw]

And Jesus was speaking to a different generation who was not on Mt. Sinai. It applies universally to God's children. Besides, God's words came to Jesus as well. Didn't you know Jesus got all of his teachings and doctrines from the Father?

Your logic means that all God's children are cursed in that they will die (Ps 82:7).
Here's one commentary

It is an argument from the lesser to the greater: if those to whom the law was given can be called ‘gods’, then surely the one whom God has commissioned and sent into the world can call himself ‘the Son of God’ without being guilty of blasphemy. Jesus used the exegetical methods of his opponents to show they had no grounds for accusing him of blasphemy. It did not mean Jesus endorsed this approach. It did, however, buy him time

Colin G. Kruse, John: An Introduction and Commentary, vol. 4, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2003), 241.

And another

Jesus’ citation of Psalm 82 is now interpreted to mean that he excoriates the judges of Israel for their utter failure, while he himself fulfills Psalm 82:8, claiming to be God in human form and therefore his people’s perfect judge and deliverer. But as attractive as this is, it rests too much weight on the assumption that ‘cannot be broken’ (Gk. verb lyō) means ‘is fulfilled’.

D. A. Carson, The Gospel according to John, The Pillar New Testament Commentary (Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; W.B. Eerdmans, 1991), 397.

Like I said, the meaning is obvious. you have followed an incorrect and evil interpretation.