The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[dwight92070]

We can talk to each other, which is not praying, because neither of us is God. The disciples of Jesus spoke to Him directly, which was also technically not praying, because even though He was God in the flesh, he was physically right there in front of them. However now, since Jesus returned to heaven, whenever we talk to Him, we are praying, since He is God, and since He has returned to heaven, and is no longer physically on the earth. Now, whoever calls on the name of the Lord is not only talking to Jesus, but praying to Him. Also now, whoever is fellowshipping with Jesus and the Father is not only talking to them, but also praying to them and worshipping them.

 

[synergy]

thats strange since talking to God is in a sense praying to God.

Unitarians think they're like the Mormon Joseph Smith who also claimed that he talked directly to the Father, the Son, snd a host of Apostles. They're all smoking some strong weed these days.

 

[civic]

It's ludicrous.

1. Does Jesus fully know his heart when he speaks?
2. Does Jesus fully know the hearts of all others when they do so as well?
3. Can one talk silently to Jesus?
4. Can one sing to Jesus out loud?
5. Can one sing to Jesus silently within his/her heart?

Exactly

 

[Runningman]

<sigh>
The Father is Spirit
The Spirit is Spirit
The Word was Spirit before he took on flesh, and all three are, in nature of being, God.

You can’t cease to be what we are by nature, thus the Word taking on human form does not cease to be God, he simply adds being human to what he already is.

Thus, the Word become flesh is God and has blood, but not the Father or the Spirit, who are also God but are not “human” in nature of being.

Doug

How about here?

Revelation 5 (KJV)
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[Runningman]

We can talk to each other, which is not praying, because neither of us is God. The disciples of Jesus spoke to Him directly, which was also technically not praying, because even though He was God in the flesh, he was physically right there in front of them. However now, since Jesus returned to heaven, whenever we talk to Him, we are praying, since He is God, and since He has returned to heaven, and is no longer physically on the earth. Now, whoever calls on the name of the Lord is not only talking to Jesus, but praying to Him. Also now, whoever is fellowshipping with Jesus and the Father is not only talking to them, but also praying to them and worshipping them.

And Jesus is not God too. That's why he only ever taught to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9.

 

[civic]

And Jesus is not God too. That's why he only ever taught to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9.

yet those same ones He taught also prayed to Him.

next fallacy

 

[Runningman]

thats strange since talking to God is in a sense praying to God.

Prayer is more along the lines of worship, but talking isn't. Do a word study of Matthew 6:6,9 and you'll see why the word prayer and never used in connection with speaking to Jesus.

 

[civic]

Prayer is more along the lines of worship, but talking isn't. Do a word study of Matthew 6:6,9 and you'll see why the word prayer and never used in connection with speaking to Jesus.

wrong Acts 1:24 they did pray and in this passage worship Him Matt 28:17. We also have Paul praying to the Lord Jesus a couple times in Acts 9.

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[Runningman]

wrong Acts 1:24 they did pray and in this passage worship Him Matt 28:17

Wrong. Acts 1:24 is a reference to the same Lord who sent Jesus Christ in Acts 3.

Acts 3
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

 

[civic]

Wrong. Acts 1:24 is a reference to the same Lord who sent Jesus Christ in Acts 3.

Acts 3
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

nope Acts 1 is Jesus so is Acts 9 with Paul.

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[Runningman]

nope Acts 1 is Jesus so is Acts 9 with Paul.

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Nope. Prior to Acts 1, there are no examples of anyone praying to Jesus. So the precedent is praying to our Lord the Father. Therefore it follows with consistency that in Acts 1 they prayed to the Lord (the Father) who sent Jesus. That's what Jesus taught them all to do in Matthew 6:6,9.

 

[civic]

Nope. Prior to Acts 1, there are no examples of anyone praying to Jesus. So the precedent is praying to our Lord the Father. Therefore it follows with consistency that in Acts 1 they prayed to the Lord (the Father) who sent Jesus. That's what Jesus taught them all to do in Matthew 6:6,9.

sorry Jesus is the Lord in Acts, the One Lord that must be called upon to be saved. Paul called upon Him in Acts 9 by praying to Him - your greek word just came back to bite you.

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[Peterlag]

In Heaven, is that what all the unitarian will say when everyone else is directing prayer and worship to the Throne where both the Father and Son are seated? Unitarian judaizers will be only ones in Heaven who will refuse to pray to and worship the Son, with folded hands, in contrast to everyone else in heaven.

Rev 3
21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches

Lord, I pray that all judaizers have an ear to hear your words.

You may be surprised perhaps even in a mild shock to learn I may be one of your judges. And if that's the case you will not be able to say "but nobody told me."

 

[synergy]

You may be surprised perhaps even in a mild shock to learn I may be one of your judges. And if that's the case you will not be able to say "but nobody told me."

The only place that would be possible would be in hell. That's because in Heaven everyone directs prayer and worship to the Throne where both the Father and the Son sit on.

Are you suggesting that's where we'll meet?

 

[Runningman]

sorry Jesus is the Lord in Acts, the One Lord that must be called upon to be saved. Paul called upon Him in Acts 9 by praying to Him - your greek word just came back to bite you.

next fallacy

Your opinion on the matter is fallible. So you don't believe they prayed to the Father like Jesus has already told them to and despite the Lord being the one who is greater than Jesus and sent Jesus?

 

[Peterlag]

The only place that would be possible would be in hell. That's because in Heaven everyone directs prayer and worship to the Throne where both the Father and the Son sit on.

Are you suggesting that's where we'll meet?

I don't know if anyone will care. But I sometimes wonder if so many people will be surprised to learn Jesus is not God. Again, I don't know if anyone will care at that time. But maybe there will be billions saying to God or agents of God like me "but what about John 1, and what about Thomas."

 

[civic]

Your opinion on the matter is fallible. So you don't believe they prayed to the Father like Jesus has already told them to and despite the Lord being the one who is greater than Jesus and sent Jesus?

Diverting not addressing my passages

 

[synergy]

I don't know if anyone will care.

Huh? Heaven in its entirety will be worshipping and praying to both the Father and the Son, both sitting on the Father's Throne.

But I sometimes wonder if so many people will be surprised to learn Jesus is not God. Again, I don't know if anyone will care at that time. But maybe there will be billions saying to God or agents of God like me "but what about John 1, and what about Thomas."

Everyone in Heaven will care. Where does that place you?

 

[Runningman]

Diverting not addressing my passages

We've already went over how the Lord they prayed to in Acts 1 is the same Lord who sent Jesus in Acts 3. We've already been discussing this.

 

[TibiasDad]

How about here?

Revelation 5 (KJV)
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

What about it? When Jesus speaks of God he refers to the Father. This is true of the heavenly saint’s perspective that we are reconciled to the Father/God by the blood of the Lamb, the Son of God who is God the Son. The blood of God the Son reconciles us with God the Father.


Doug