The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

Then with Acts 17:24 you would be denying that Jesus was needed in our justification. Also, you simply use this as a proof text that is out of context. Paul was addressing people worshiping false gods and telling them that their actions involved a wrong perception of God. Yet, we know the Levitical priests did serve God with the aid of their hands. So we have more confirmation of your attempts to interpret scripture.

God doesn't require human intervention to meet his needs, but God had already authorized Jesus and others to forgive sins even prior to the cross. This should be a wake up call for you. Are you ready to know the real Jesus?

 

[civic]

What is recorded in Acts 20:28 is clear about it being in regards to a human who is of God's (OWN) family. Your interpretation doesn't match any recognizable religion.

Come right out and say it. Do you believe God is a Spirit and that an invisible Spirit has blood?

no the verse says God which He ( God) has purchased with His ( Gods ) own blood.


King James Bible
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

New American Standard Bible
Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.


Both the English above and the Greek below declare its God ( Theou ) not the Son ( huio )


The Greek word Huios ( son ) is not in the original Greek manuscripts. Its used 382 times in the Greek New Testament and Acts 20:28 in not one of them. But God ( Theou, Θεοῦ ) sure is.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
προσέχετε οὖν ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους, ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος.

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
προσέχετε οὖν ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους, ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

Westcott and Hort 1881
προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους, ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους, ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

conclusion: your interpretation is false, built upon the lies of men and not the word of God which I have proven.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

What is recorded in Acts 20:28 is clear about it being in regards to a human who is of God's (OWN) family. Your interpretation doesn't match any recognizable religion.

Come right out and say it. Do you believe God is a Spirit and that an invisible Spirit has blood?

You are leaving what the text actually says and are deflecting once again. The fact is you don't believe the Bible when it contradicts your manmade theology. We are still discussing the text in Acts 20:28. Oh and I have the biblical and true answer to your question but I will not entertain it until you agree that the text declares" God which He purchased with His own blood. "

When You admit the text is true and not your opinion that God purchased the church with His own blood we can move forward.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

You are leaving what the text actually says and are deflecting once again. The fact is you don't believe the Bible when it contradicts your manmade theology. We are still discussing the text in Acts 20:28. Oh and I have the biblical and true answer to your question but I will not entertain it until you agree that the text declares" God which He purchased with His own blood. "

When You admit the text is true and not your opinion that God purchased the church with His own blood we can move forward.

hope this helps !!!

These versions are more along the lines of a literal translation for Acts 20:28 even though the word for "son" is not actually in the verse. It's implied through the context and grammar. This is what the Greek actually says because God doesn't have blood. It's because Jesus and God aren't the same person.

For example, the Lamb purchased for God (the action is moving from one location to another location) with his blood. Couldn't be any clearer.

Revelation 5
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


Contemporary English Version
Look after yourselves and everyone the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be like shepherds to God's church. It is the flock he bought with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Darby Bible Translation
Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, wherein the Holy Spirit has set you as overseers, to shepherd the assembly of God, which he has purchased with the blood of his own.

I hope that helps! Let me know if you're cleared up now. Next fallacy.

 

[civic]

These versions are more along the lines of a literal translation for Acts 20:28 even though the word for "son" is not actually in the verse. It's implied through the context and grammar. This is what the Greek actually says because God doesn't have blood. It's because Jesus and God aren't the same person.

For example, the Lamb purchase for God (the action is moving from one location to another location) with his blood.

Revelation 5
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


Contemporary English Version
Look after yourselves and everyone the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be like shepherds to God's church. It is the flock he bought with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Darby Bible Translation
Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, wherein the Holy Spirit has set you as overseers, to shepherd the assembly of God, which he has purchased with the blood of his own.

I hope that helps! Let me know if you're cleared up now. Next fallacy.

Nothing is implied in the verse. It’s literal and means what it literally says.

You are reading your own theology into the passage your personal bias. That’s eisegesis not exegesis

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

Nothing is implied in the verse. It’s literal and means what it literally says.

You are reading your own theology into the passage your personal bias. That’s eisegesis not exegesis

hope this helps !!!

It being the blood of God's "OWN" son is implied in the verse because the word Own refers to what is God's in a familial sense. We use this in English as well.

It's even in the Greek .

G2398. idios
Strong's Lexicon
idios: own, private, personal, peculiar
Original Word: ἴδιος
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: idios
Pronunciation: EE-dee-os
Phonetic Spelling: (id'-ee-os)
Definition: own, private, personal, peculiar
Meaning: one's own, belonging to one, private, personal; one's own people, one's own family, home, property.

Word Origin: A primary word

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often used in similar contexts is "בַּעַל" (ba'al - H1167), which can mean owner, master, or husband, emphasizing possession or relationship.

Usage: The Greek word "idios" is used to denote something that belongs to oneself, is private, or is peculiar to an individual. It often emphasizes personal possession or association, distinguishing what is one's own from what belongs to others. In the New Testament, "idios" is used to highlight personal responsibility, ownership, or relationship.

Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, the concept of personal ownership and identity was significant. The use of "idios" would resonate with the cultural understanding of property, family, and individual rights. In a society where lineage and personal honor were highly valued, distinguishing what was "one's own" was crucial for maintaining social order and personal dignity.

source: https://biblehub.com/greek/2398.htm

 

[Johann]

My argument is essentially that Acts 20:28 refers to the blood of God's own family, i.e., His son. For you to argue against this, you must begin denying that Jesus is the son of God. Do you deny that Jesus is God's begotten son?

Do you deny Jesus is God?

J.

 

[civic]

Do you deny Jesus is God?

J.

yes he is a unitarian/arian the same early chuch heresy as Arias.

 

[Johann]

yes he is a unitarian/arian the same early chuch heresy as Arias.

Thank for the heads up brother.

J.

 

[civic]

Thank for the heads up brother.

J.

you are welcome my friend.

 

[Runningman]

Do you deny Jesus is God?

J.

Yes and also Jesus denied being God. I just go with what he taught.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes and also Jesus denied being God. I just go with what he taught.

And I on that note I give you this for your enjoyment...

We cannot approach the Bible with wisdom and “reason together” if we must invent and use non-biblical phrases to support our theology. The Bible calls Jesus the “Son” of God for the simple reason that he had a beginning. Jesus had been part of God’s plan since the foundation of the world, but he began his actual life when God “fathered” him and Mary conceived him in her womb. There are many verses where Jesus and God are portrayed as two separate beings and there are too many examples to list, but just to mention a few we can look at when Jesus told the rich young ruler that he was not good, but “God” was good. Also Jesus grew in favor with “God” and with men, and he told his disciples“ Believe in God; believe also in me."

I find it interesting that the Church Epistles were authored by both God and Christ and we see this in 1 Corinthians 1:3 that says “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” There's a lot of Scripture that shows Jesus to be separate and distinct from“God” which is what the people of the time believed and expected. The Trinitarian explanation of these verses is that Jesus is God and so “God” means “the Father” when Jesus speaks of himself and “God.” But the Bible never says that. It's only because Trinitarian doctrine asserts that Jesus is God that the assumption is made that “God” means “the Father” when Jesus and God appear together.