Runningman
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You’re the only one who seems to know about it.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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The only one as opposed to who else?
Runningman
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Seems you're utterly speechless about how to respond to what I showed you regarding Isaiah 9:6. Why do you bring up topics and not see them through?
There you go with the false witness again along with running from the evidence
Acts 1:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Jesus is the lord
1 Corinthians 8:6 (LSB) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Jude 4 (LSB) — 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
You failed to address the verses and just baldly denied the facts
demonstrating you deliberately twist and deny scripture
Runningman
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Tom, I want you to actually read the things you quote since you don't seem to actually be looking at them. None of those mention Jesus as the one who was prayed to. Do you deny the Father is the Lord they prayed to as Scripture teaches? I am calling checkmate. No one every prayed to Jesus in the Bible. My OP is not refutable. Have some class and quit drawing this out longer. Give up.
What part of the argument could you not read and understand
Jesus is the Lord according to the passages you ignored
Following your practice to deny all evidence
Jesus is the lord
1 Corinthians 8:6 (LSB) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Jude 4 (LSB) — 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
civic
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kind a like your one line blasphemy statement oh the comedic irony of it all
civic
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Notice how they cherry picl the word " ONLY " and make it apply only the the Father and never the Son
EISEGESIS/ BIAS/ PRESUPPOSITIONALISM at its finest in the uni camp. They make it up as the go to deny the Son.
And we know those who deny the Son- Jesus promised the Father will also deny. You cannot have One without the Other as they have in their doctrine. But we know from Jesus teaching they are One, Inseparable, Equal, Co-Creators, Co-Substantial, Both are Lord, God, YHWH, Sovereign over all. Alpha and Omega, First and Last, Beginning and End, the I Am etc....... receiving the same glory, honor, praise, worship and prayer that God alone receives. Both on the One Throne together.
The uni's are up a creek with no paddle, deep in the river of De Nile.
Denial is all he has
Christ clearly is Lord and unless stated otherwise the Lord is Christ
Runningman
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None of those verses say Jesus was prayed to in the Greek. It's pretty clear there are no verses that directly say what you are proposing. Can you at least admit that?
Runningman
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You don't see calling God a man as a problem? He said He isn't. It isn't a small matter to bear false witness of God.
Hosea 11 (KJV)
9I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
civic
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You don’t even understand the context of the statement and why it was says in the first place. All you can see is “ not man”.
And there is nothing stated that God cannot become man.
Runningman
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Jesus is a man and God isn't. This is irrefutable proof that God is not a man. Of course, you may argue if you wish. Each can decide to accept or reject what God said.
Give it up
You are simply in denial
ignoring first what constitutes prayer and then the affirmation Christ is the Lord
civic
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1-Wrong to see Jesus is to see the Father
2-No man has seen the Father
3-The Son only does and says what He sees the Father saying and doing
4- The Son is sinless just like the Father
5- the Son is the Creator of everything just like the Father
6- the Son received the sane glory, honor, prayer, worship and praise by all creation the same as the Father
7- the Son is called God just like the Father
8- the Son is identified as YHWH just like the Father
9- God alone is the Saviior/ Redeemer of man and the Son is both just like the Father
10- the Son and the Father are One in nature.
Conclusion:I have dozens more but this is enough to know the Son is God just like the Father is God sharing the exact same qualities and nature as God.
Hope this helps !!!
And that is why the son is to be honored just as the Father. All who deny this dishonor the Father
civic
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Exactly which was Jesus point is declaring those words , Amen !!!
Yep. There is one who wishes to ignore the fact the son is to be honored as is the father because all that the Father does, he does alsoExactly which was Jesus point is declaring those words , Amen !!!
