Johann
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You stand refuted.Admit it... I have bested Trinitarianism. You people can't even produce one verse that clearly and explicitly says Jesus was ever prayed to in Scripture.
J.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Runningman
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That it? A one sentence declaration of being refuted without being refuted? I love a good comedy.
The fact of the matter is that there are no verses about Jesus being prayed to in the Bible. Don't play games this time. Please quote one verse with the word "prayer" present in the Greek and the name for Jesus in the Greek that says Jesus was prayed to.
Runningman
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Not about Jesus. Says he "will be called" those things. Please cite the scripture in which Jesus was called those things because no one can find them.
Which doesn't detract at all that He is called that.
Runningman
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He was never called those any of those things in Scripture and he isn't the Father. It's a bad translation.
Try the LXX of Isaiah 9:6,7. It actually makes sense and doesn't contain a failed prophecy like yours does.
Isaiah 9 (Brenton's Septuagint Translation)
6For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.
7His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgement and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. The seal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this.
Johann
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There you go again bearing false witness
1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
2 Corinthians 12:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 7:60 (KJV 1900) — 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
1 John 5:13–15 (KJV 1900) — 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Acts 1:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Runningman
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What's the problem in John 1:1
Runningman
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None of these verses satisfy the requirements of what I asked. There are no verses or passages with the word "prayer" present in the Greek and the name for Jesus in the Greek that says Jesus was prayed to. Hello. Getting it now? Jesus isn't Lord God Almighty in Scripture. Read Matthew 6:6-9 for who to pray to.
Runningman
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Isaiah 9:6 in your version doesn't call him those things. Saying someone will be called something isn't the same thing as calling him those things. No one ever called Jesus mighty God or everlasting Father in Scripture.
Johann
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You are confused.
Runningman
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I understand it.
Runningman
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Nope. I am quite clear on what it says or else I wouldn't be talking about it. I would be studying it more.
You are quite clearly wrong in your understanding of what it means.
Sure there was
Acts 1:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Jesus is the lord
1 Corinthians 8:6 (LSB) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Jude 4 (LSB) — 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
You are simply in denial
Runningman
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Prove it.
Already have.
Runningman
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Thank you for proving my point. There isn’t actually any verse in existence that says anything about praying to Jesus. I’m sure you, as a Trinitarian, are quite sad that the Bible doesn’t support your religion, but it’s ok you can still change if you love the truth. Therefore my assertion that the Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus is True.
My OP has remained unchallenged and unchecked for over 100 pages. I’m calling check mate. Good game all.
