Taking credit for your salvation

Brother-I lost my dear wife a couple years ago and STILL grieving, my son is severely handicapped, cerebral palsied and in need of constant daily care 24/7 and I live of my pension and we could very easily lose everything, I am in a house full of nothing and have to wear the same clothes daily-I think I have more reason to leave my first Love that you and just "live it up" eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

ALL I have is Jesus, and His word, the holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit.

But I won't abandon our Lord-I should have been dead many times over, yet here I am having fellowship with you brother.

You now know more of Johann than many here, all the more reason to keep our eyes upon Christ Jesus and not our circumstances nor what the members are saying.

To be honest, I don't know what a Arminian is-have to look it up and their belief system. Keep your head up and rather encourage the brethren, you can take my advice, sound advice, or forbear.

You don't know a man unless you have walked a mile with him brother.

peace to you and family
Johann.
I won't go into my history, but I'll say I certainly sympathize.

"I don't know what a Arminian is"

Neither do I. Nor do I fully know what Calvinism is. This really isn't a Calvinism vs. Arminianism section of the forum. Based on the majority of posts I've read, it's more a "synergism" vs. "monergism" forum. With a couple exceptions, anyway. @civic talks about Calvinism and TULIP, which is why I have difficulty responding to his posts, since I am not a Calvinist and I don't know or care about TULIP.
 
Brother-I lost my dear wife a couple years ago and STILL grieving, my son is severely handicapped, cerebral palsied and in need of constant daily care 24/7 and I live of my pension and we could very easily lose everything, I am in a house full of nothing and have to wear the same clothes daily-I think I have more reason to leave my first Love that you and just "live it up" eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

ALL I have is Jesus, and His word, the holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit.

But I won't abandon our Lord-I should have been dead many times over, yet here I am having fellowship with you brother.

You now know more of Johann than many here, all the more reason to keep our eyes upon Christ Jesus and not our circumstances nor what the members are saying.

To be honest, I don't know what a Arminian is-have to look it up and their belief system. Keep your head up and rather encourage the brethren, you can take my advice, sound advice, or forbear.

You don't know a man unless you have walked a mile with him brother.

peace to you and family
Johann.
Thank you for sharing. I really appreciate this. I had a few things I want to say but nothing matters more than God Bless you and keep you always. May the peace of God rule and reign in your heart.
 
I think it was my love for a fellow sister in Christ that brought me to her defense against the false accusations made by you. Let me ask you a question, is it your pride that wants to tell us about your website?

You're not my teacher so please refrain from telling me what to do. Also mocking people by making statements about them you don't believe "Yeah. She is wonderful" is definitely not what Jesus taught.
She is the lair and a thief. Not me. Your love for her outweighed your love for Christ. You praised her for your deliverance. The evidence is the evidence. Tell me who I've praised besides besides Christ here?

I mentioned one of my website because it fit the situation.

Keep paying your money to her. Not my money. Feel free to chose her over God. You have that liberty.

You're not my teacher and your pride is showing. You're stating things that are equally true of us both.

I would recommend you get to know more of what Jesus did then what Joyce is doing. Jesus didn't mind telling his disciples they were wrong.

Did John the Beloved fall asleep when Christ was praying in agony?

We are all sinful through our lives. That is why my website isn't there anymore. I failed. Joyce has failed you. Christ hasn't.
 
She is the lair and a thief. Not me. Your love for her outweighed your love for Christ. You praised her for your deliverance. The evidence is the evidence. Tell me who I've praised besides besides Christ here?

I mentioned one of my website because it fit the situation.

Keep paying your money to her. Not my money. Feel free to chose her over God. You have that liberty.

You're not my teacher and your pride is showing. Your staring things that are equally true of us both.

I would recommend you get to know more of what Jesus did then what Joyce is doing. Jesus didn't telling his disciples they were wrong.

Did John the Beloved fall asleep when Christ was praying in agony?

We are all sinful through our lives. That is why my website isn't there anymore. I failed. Joyce has failed you. Christ hasn't.
Don't be ridiculous. Because I love Christ I'm able to love Joyce. Let me tell you again. You're not my teacher so take all your hate and discontent down the road. You seem to go on these tangents every so often.
 
I won't go into my history, but I'll say I certainly sympathize.

"I don't know what a Arminian is"

Neither do I. Nor do I fully know what Calvinism is. This really isn't a Calvinism vs. Arminianism section of the forum. Based on the majority of posts I've read, it's more a "synergism" vs. "monergism" forum. With a couple exceptions, anyway. @civic talks about Calvinism and TULIP, which is why I have difficulty responding to his posts, since I am not a Calvinist and I don't know or care about TULIP.

Still angry at me?
 
I won't go into my history, but I'll say I certainly sympathize.

"I don't know what a Arminian is"

Neither do I. Nor do I fully know what Calvinism is. This really isn't a Calvinism vs. Arminianism section of the forum. Based on the majority of posts I've read, it's more a "synergism" vs. "monergism" forum. With a couple exceptions, anyway. @civic talks about Calvinism and TULIP, which is why I have difficulty responding to his posts, since I am not a Calvinist and I don't know or care about TULIP.
Thank you precious brother.

I concur-there is a shift in the wind and daily I'm learning "new things" online, the cross and resurrection of our Lord Christ Jesus sadly "buried" with worldly terminologies and philosophies and traditions of men, very sad indeed. The Holy Spirit seem to have taken a backseat.

Take heart brother, we are in the last days and our style of life MUST be in conformity with the Imperatives, it is appointed for a man to die once and after that the judgement-we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling-as I'm sure you are aware of.

Don't worry re the "strange fires/terminologies" you have the written word and-

2 Peter 1:20-21 (ESV):
"Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

During Peter's time, false teachers were distorting Scripture and leading believers astray with their interpretations.
The apostles and early church leaders emphasized the importance of adhering to the apostolic teaching and the authority of Scripture to combat these heresies.
In summary, 2 Peter 1:20-21 teaches that Scripture is not subject to private interpretation but is divinely inspired and authoritative, having been given by God through the Holy Spirit. This passage underscores the importance of humility, dependence on the Spirit, and adherence to the objective truth revealed in Scripture.

Take care now @The Rogue Tomato and will see you "on the other side"




Hebrews 9:27 (ESV): "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,"

Context of Hebrews 9:27:
Authorship: The authorship of Hebrews is uncertain, though traditionally it has been attributed to the Apostle Paul or someone closely associated with him.

Audience: The letter to the Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians who were facing persecution and temptations to return to Judaism.
Purpose: The author of Hebrews seeks to demonstrate the superiority of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice over the Old Testament sacrificial system.
Detailed Analysis:
Context of Chapter 9:

Hebrews 9 discusses the earthly and heavenly tabernacles, the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice, and the superiority of the new covenant over the old covenant.
Verse 27:

The verse emphasizes the certainty of death for every human being: "it is appointed for man to die once."
This appointment with death is universal and inevitable, highlighting the reality of human mortality.
After Death Comes Judgment:


The verse continues, "and after that comes judgment."

After death, every person will face judgment before God, where their deeds and their response to Christ will be evaluated.
Theological Implications:

Human Mortality: The verse underscores the reality of human mortality and the certainty of death for every individual.

Solemn Reminder: It serves as a solemn reminder of the brevity and fragility of life, prompting reflection on the eternal destiny of the soul.
Responsibility and Accountability: The assurance of judgment highlights the accountability of every person before God for their actions and their response to the gospel message.
Practical Application:

Urgency of Salvation: It emphasizes the urgency of accepting Christ's offer of salvation and living a life of faithfulness to Him.
Preparation for Eternity: It encourages believers to live with an eternal perspective, prioritizing spiritual matters and investing in things of lasting value.

Comfort in Facing Death: For believers, the knowledge of judgment after death provides comfort, knowing that their ultimate destiny is secure in Christ.
Cultural and Historical Background:

In the ancient Jewish worldview, death was seen as a natural part of life, but it was also accompanied by a belief in divine judgment and the afterlife.

The concept of judgment after death is consistent with Jewish and Christian eschatology, which teaches that God will ultimately judge all people according to their deeds and their relationship with Him.
In summary, Hebrews 9:27 teaches that it is appointed for every person to die once and then face judgment. This verse underscores the certainty of death, the reality of divine judgment, and the need for individuals to prepare for eternity by accepting Christ and living in obedience to Him.

Stay strong in our Lord Jesus Christ Olam Olam Achi/brother.
Johann.
 
Don't be ridiculous. Because I love Christ I'm able to love Joyce. Let me tell you again. You're not my teacher so take all your hate and discontent down the road. You seem to go on these tangents every so often.
I tell the truth no matter who it is. I can tell you anything I want to say in an open forum. Feel free to put me on ignore. I tend to eventually make everyone mad at me at one time or another. You know why? Because I must tell the truth. Truth is an anchor.

Joyce Myers is a crook just as bad as Benny Hinn.

God will fix us all one day but the Truth is the Truth.
 
I tell the truth no matter who it is. I can tell you anything I want to say in an open forum. Feel free to put me on ignore. I tend to eventually make everyone mad at me at one time or another. You know why? Because I must tell the truth. Truth is an anchor.

Joyce Myers is a crook just as bad as Benny Hinn.

God will fix us all one day but the Truth is the Truth.
You just jealous
 
Thank you precious brother.

I concur-there is a shift in the wind and daily I'm learning "new things" online, the cross and resurrection of our Lord Christ Jesus sadly "buried" with worldly terminologies and philosophies and traditions of men, very sad indeed. The Holy Spirit seem to have taken a backseat.

Take heart brother, we are in the last days and our style of life MUST be in conformity with the Imperatives, it is appointed for a man to die once and after that the judgement-we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling-as I'm sure you are aware of.

Don't worry re the "strange fires/terminologies" you have the written word and-

2 Peter 1:20-21 (ESV):
"Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

During Peter's time, false teachers were distorting Scripture and leading believers astray with their interpretations.
The apostles and early church leaders emphasized the importance of adhering to the apostolic teaching and the authority of Scripture to combat these heresies.
In summary, 2 Peter 1:20-21 teaches that Scripture is not subject to private interpretation but is divinely inspired and authoritative, having been given by God through the Holy Spirit. This passage underscores the importance of humility, dependence on the Spirit, and adherence to the objective truth revealed in Scripture.

Take care now @The Rogue Tomato and will see you "on the other side"




Hebrews 9:27 (ESV): "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,"

Context of Hebrews 9:27:
Authorship: The authorship of Hebrews is uncertain, though traditionally it has been attributed to the Apostle Paul or someone closely associated with him.

Audience: The letter to the Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians who were facing persecution and temptations to return to Judaism.
Purpose: The author of Hebrews seeks to demonstrate the superiority of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice over the Old Testament sacrificial system.
Detailed Analysis:
Context of Chapter 9:

Hebrews 9 discusses the earthly and heavenly tabernacles, the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice, and the superiority of the new covenant over the old covenant.
Verse 27:

The verse emphasizes the certainty of death for every human being: "it is appointed for man to die once."
This appointment with death is universal and inevitable, highlighting the reality of human mortality.
After Death Comes Judgment:


The verse continues, "and after that comes judgment."

After death, every person will face judgment before God, where their deeds and their response to Christ will be evaluated.
Theological Implications:

Human Mortality: The verse underscores the reality of human mortality and the certainty of death for every individual.

Solemn Reminder: It serves as a solemn reminder of the brevity and fragility of life, prompting reflection on the eternal destiny of the soul.
Responsibility and Accountability: The assurance of judgment highlights the accountability of every person before God for their actions and their response to the gospel message.
Practical Application:

Urgency of Salvation: It emphasizes the urgency of accepting Christ's offer of salvation and living a life of faithfulness to Him.
Preparation for Eternity: It encourages believers to live with an eternal perspective, prioritizing spiritual matters and investing in things of lasting value.

Comfort in Facing Death: For believers, the knowledge of judgment after death provides comfort, knowing that their ultimate destiny is secure in Christ.
Cultural and Historical Background:

In the ancient Jewish worldview, death was seen as a natural part of life, but it was also accompanied by a belief in divine judgment and the afterlife.

The concept of judgment after death is consistent with Jewish and Christian eschatology, which teaches that God will ultimately judge all people according to their deeds and their relationship with Him.
In summary, Hebrews 9:27 teaches that it is appointed for every person to die once and then face judgment. This verse underscores the certainty of death, the reality of divine judgment, and the need for individuals to prepare for eternity by accepting Christ and living in obedience to Him.

Stay strong in our Lord Jesus Christ Olam Olam Achi/brother.
Johann.
Hebrews doesn't sound like Paul to me. I once thought it was Barnabas, but I can't recall how I came to that conclusion.

Hebrews 9:27 (ESV): "And just as it is appointed for man to die once"

With a few exceptions, like Lazarus. ;)
 
You just jealous

Not at all. God has been good to me. I praise Him for His loving kindness and Grace. I can't tell people that God has given me something to share and then charge them for it.

She doesn't mind charging for what she claims God has given her to share to others.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.


I once knew an evangelist named Craig. Some of you may know him. He wrote a book that he claimed that had helped many many people concerning depression. I believe what he said was true. It did help many people. I heard him preach on the topic before.

Yet, he wouldn't share that book with anyone without payment for the book. He would offer to "buy one for someone if they didn't have any money" but this book was certainly for sell.

I don't see how people can do such a thing and then pretend God is pleased with them.

God loves him. Why shouldn't He. However, I can't ignore the problem. It is contrary to the Truth.
 
Hebrews doesn't sound like Paul to me. I once thought it was Barnabas, but I can't recall how I came to that conclusion.

Hebrews 9:27 (ESV): "And just as it is appointed for man to die once"

With a few exceptions, like Lazarus. ;)
Here @The Rogue Tomato I did some research just for you on Hebrews


Early Church Views
Pauline Authorship:

Some early Christian traditions and Church Fathers, including Clement of Alexandria and Origen, attributed the book to the Apostle Paul. However, Origen himself expressed uncertainty, famously stating, "Who wrote the Epistle, God only knows certainly."
Other Early Theories:

Barnabas: Tertullian suggested that Barnabas, a companion of Paul, might be the author.
Luke: Some early scholars proposed Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke and Acts, due to similarities in style.
Clement of Rome: A few early suggestions also pointed to Clement of Rome.
Modern Scholarship
Language and Style:

The Greek used in Hebrews is more polished and sophisticated than that typically attributed to Paul. Additionally, the style and vocabulary differ significantly from Paul's known letters.

Theological Differences:

Hebrews contains unique theological themes and approaches not seen in Paul’s epistles. It emphasizes Jesus as the high priest in a manner that is distinct from Paul’s writings.
Anonymity and Audience:

The letter is written anonymously, and its audience appears to be Jewish Christians familiar with the Old Testament. The anonymity might suggest that the author was well-known to the recipients but chose to remain unnamed.
Leading Theories Today
Apollos:

Martin Luther proposed Apollos, an eloquent speaker mentioned in Acts 18:24-28. Apollos was well-versed in Scriptures and a colleague of Paul, fitting the profile of the author of Hebrews.
Priscilla:

Some modern scholars have suggested Priscilla, an early Christian missionary mentioned in Acts and Paul's letters. This theory suggests that the anonymity might be due to the author being a woman, which might have been controversial at the time.
Others:

Other suggestions include Silas, Philip the Deacon, and others, but these are less widely accepted.
Conclusion

The true authorship of Hebrews remains unknown. The book's high-quality Greek, distinct theological themes, and the fact that the author was likely a well-educated and respected figure in the early Christian community contribute to the ongoing mystery. While Paul, Apollos, and Priscilla are among the most frequently suggested candidates, the lack of definitive evidence means that the author’s identity remains a matter of scholarly debate and speculation.

So we still don't know.
 
Hebrews doesn't sound like Paul to me. I once thought it was Barnabas, but I can't recall how I came to that conclusion.

Hebrews 9:27 (ESV): "And just as it is appointed for man to die once"

With a few exceptions, like Lazarus. ;)

There is no doubt whatsoever that it is Paul's message whether it came from Paul or not. It is distinctly the Gospel that Paul preached.
 
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