Taking credit for your salvation

[Rockson]

Do you mind confessing some sins. It will do you good.

Listen you each and every day I ask the Lord to forgive me of any sin I feel I might have committed! And he's told me he's faithful and just to forgive my sins IF....IF......IF I have committed any and I always endeavor to make thing right with God. So how about you just knock it off and stop saying things about people THEY ARE NOT SAYING.. Nobody has said here they don't have the potential to ever sin or that they never do.

Do as you please. That is what you do anyways. I'm not your judge and you're not my judge.

If you're claiming you're not my judge why did you accuse me with, "You're sinning with such fakeness" You most certainly have been judging people's characters on here recently and that seems all you've made the decision to do. I sincerely feel sad about that but I guess you'll do your thing.

We are arguing about applying the Scriptures in our lives. In this, there is no place for "with all due respect" when we are in a very heated disagreement.

I'll make the decision on how gracious or none gracious I'll be with my writings. Not you. If you don't like it you know what button to click on .

Believe it is fake or not.

I have told you, I have told you, I have told you I DON'T believe what you're saying is accurate. Everyone knows I have.

I usually start out very mellow and then I do exactly what Paul did when people start "doubling and tripling down" on their claims....

But you sure don't like anyone disagreeing with you even in the slightest degree now do you. Sorry but seeing your post the last number of days I consider you're way over reacting on things which you shouldn't be. If you think I'm wrong fair enough, think what you will. I sincerely pray and hope that God will bring you out of what I consider to be error. Wishing you all the best.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Listen you each and every day I ask the Lord to forgive me of any sin I feel I might have committed! And he's told me he's faithful and just to forgive my sins IF....IF......IF I have committed any and I always endeavor to make thing right with God. So how about you just knock it off and stop saying things about people THEY ARE NOT SAYING.. Nobody has said here they don't have the potential to ever sin or that they never do.

Good. Confession is good. God forgives you because of Christ. The power in forgiveness is in Christ.

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Just like the power in salvation isn't in us. It is in Christ.

I've said many times around here that my goal is to "cast down imaginations and everything that exalts itself above the knowledge of God...... and bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.

You most certainly have been judging people's characters on here recently and that seems all you've made the decision to do.

I try to treat everyone equally. Equally guilty. I wish everyone would do the same.

I'll make the decision on how gracious or none gracious I'll be with my writings. Not you. If you don't like it you know what button to click on .

I never thought differently. Just afford me the same courtesy. I'm not better than anyone. In Christ, I'm no less. Just a dog like that Greek women in Matthew 15 that Jesus told He couldn't help her.

I have told you, I have told you, I have told you I DON'T believe what you're saying is accurate. Everyone knows I have.

But you sure don't like anyone disagreeing with you even in the slightest degree now do you. Sorry but seeing your post the last number of days I consider you're way over reacting on things which you shouldn't be. If you think I'm wrong fair enough, think what you will. I sincerely pray and hope that God will bring you out of what I consider to be error. Wishing you all the best.

I don't believe you understand what I've been doing. I've been combating a problem that Arminians have. Some are worse than others. It is a humbling event to realize just how frail one is in this flesh we live in.

I had a friend tell me one time, that he once believed "the old man is dead" instead of having to "put him to death every day". He soon found out just how alive that "old man" still was.....

If we don't recognize our continuing guilt that is only elevated in the continuing forgiveness of Christ, then we are destined for monumental failures.

 

[TomL]

You're not. If you were, I would accept it.

Scripture is truth

Saying something isn't complete yet isn't identical to a progressive fulfillment. I try to choose my words wisely.

I think you are being picky

Your words surely posit it has started but is on going

Not specifically but that is what you teach.

Sorry no

You are looking for what is not there

I am trying to have a discussion of scripture and made no comments regarding your person

You are repeatedly quoting Scripture that I have already dealt with. Accept it or not. I even told you that for the sake of argument, I will concede to disagreement and move on. That is what I did.

You are not dealing the exegesis of the verses you are using your experience to deny them

This is not properer handling of scripture

I really do not see any need to continue here

 

[brightfame52]

There are Three Great causes for the Salvation of a sinner,

The Fathers Election Eph 1:4;2Thess 2:13 and the Sons Redeeming Death Titus 2:14 and the Spirits Application 2 Thess 2:13; Titus 3:5 Credit goes to the Triune God !

 

[TomL]

There are Three Great causes for the Salvation of a sinner,

The Fathers Election Eph 1:4;2Thess 2:13 and the Sons Redeeming Death Titus 2:14 and the Spirits Application 2 Thess 2:13; Titus 3:5 Credit goes to the Triune God !

God's mercy, the word and man's faith

 

[brightfame52]

God's mercy, the word and man's faith

Thats works, salvation conditioned on man

 

[brightfame52]

It was the Fathers will that Christ would come and die for the elect, those given to Him, and by so doing, His Death would sanctify them once and forever,

Heb 10:6-10

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I[Jesus] come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Now tell me did Jesus accomplish the will of God by His Death as described here ? Exactly according to this passage what is Gods will for Christ to do ?

 

[TibiasDad]

I have been dealing with this for some time now. Read it again.

God has the record. What you judge doesn't matter.

In other words, you cannot explain or cite what I have done wrong!

You were not there and you're dating Revelation based upon the teaching of Higher Critics. You might want to Google that term "higher critic".

1) Oh, so I guess you must have been there if you’re right and I am wrong!

2) Date of Writing: The Book of Revelation was likely written between A.D. 90 and 95. (Gotquestions.org)

From Christianity.com: “While most scholars lean towards a later date that would put the writing of Revelation somewhere closer to 95 or 96 AD, some believe that John wrote Revelation much earlier, during the reign of Nero (54-68 AD).

A preterist interpretation of Revelation sticks closer to a 68 AD date. In this interpretation, the bulk of Revelation’s prophetic visions were recorded in 68 AD and came to fruition around 70 AD, with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ being fulfilled in the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem that year.”

(I do not ascribe to a preterist point of view.)

From Christiancurrier.com:

Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.

Clement of Alexandria​

Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical HistoryIII.23).

Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.”

Anyone that disagrees with you. I do it too. That is what we are doing. We are arguing.

To argue is not necessarily to attack. To attack is to personalize the comments. To direct them at the character of the person against whom you are arguing.


Doug

 

[TomL]

Thats works, salvation conditioned on man

Nope that is Bible

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

 

[civic]

Nope that is Bible

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Amen

 

[brightfame52]

Nope that is Bible

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

You add the doings of man in taking credit for salvation, his faith, thats works

 

[TomL]

You add the doings of man in taking credit for salvation, his faith, thats works

Not if you believe scripture

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

 

[brightfame52]

Not if you believe scripture

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

You add the doings of man in taking credit for salvation, his faith, thats works, glorying in the flesh

 

[TomL]

You add the doings of man in taking credit for salvation, his faith, thats works, glorying in the flesh

You deny scripture

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

 

[brightfame52]

You deny scripture

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

You add the doings of man in taking credit for salvation, his faith, thats works, glorying in the flesh

 

[TomL]

You add the doings of man in taking credit for salvation, his faith, thats works, glorying in the flesh

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/taking-credit-for-your-salvation.1754/post-88155

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/taking-credit-for-your-salvation.1754/post-88155

Post 487 do you understand it

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/taking-credit-for-your-salvation.1754/page-25#post-88114

 

[TomL]

Post 487 do you understand it

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/taking-credit-for-your-salvation.1754/page-25#post-88114

There is no mention of any elect in the verse

Hello

 

[brightfame52]

There is no mention of any elect in the verse

Hello

Lets discuss that post, what is it saying ?

 

[TomL]

Lets discuss that post, what is it saying ?

First show me where the word elect appears