Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh

[Fred]

By showing he had enough respect to bend his knees in prayer to Jehovah shows 100% he was not praying to Jesus.

That would mean Solomon was not respecting YHWH when he no longer was bending his knees praying to Him.

 

[TomL]

God will show the whole world who actually honors the son--Here is one way every true follower honors him=Luke 10-Acts 20:20= the most important work ever known on Gods Earth.

Why do you continue to ignore verses contrary to your theology?

John 5:23 (LEB) — 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

and that is seen here

Revelation 5:8–14 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The same praise for the same duration is given to God and the lamb

 

[TomL]

You listen to apostates. All know some truth, even satan does. All false religions do as well. A truth is a truth no matter the source. The spiritual colleges of men teach dogmas mostly, error filled dogmas. The priests( ministers) in those religions have some truth, but are in major error on many matters. They NEVER correct the errors.

You cannot escape the fact the watchtower had appealed to Johan Greber, a spiritist and that you appealed to a heretic who rejected Christianity

You have not been able to show any apostates orthodox Christianity appeals to.

 

[TomL]

Falling on his knees to Jehovah in prayer after speaking to Jesus.

The name Jehovah does not appear in the text

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

and the lord is identified as Jesus in verse 59

The watchtower has added to scripture once again,

and you failed to address the fact of who receives departed spirits according to the Old Testament.

 

[TomL]

No worship mentioned of the things the lamb is worthy of. Him who sits on the throne=Jehovah God, the lamb is not on the throne.

What part of and to the lamb did you fail to understand

Revelation 5:12–14 (NASB95) — 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” 13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

The lamb receives equal honor for the same duration as God

 

[TomL]

In verse Acts 7:60 Stephen bends his to Jehovah in prayer, thus was not praying before he bent his knees while speaking to Jesus.

Sorry, the Watchtower added the name without the support of any manuscripts

 

[Keiw1]

Why do you continue to ignore verses contrary to your theology?

John 5:23 (LEB) — 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

and that is seen here

Revelation 5:8–14 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The same praise for the same duration is given to God and the lamb

Honoring the son that brings honor to the Father= learning, applying, obeying all that Jesus ACTUALLY taught. Like the 9 teachings i share that are in every translation on Earth, but get kicked out of trinity sights for sharing them.

 

[Keiw1]

You cannot escape the fact the watchtower had appealed to Johan Greber, a spiritist and that you appealed to a heretic who rejected Christianity

You have not been able to show any apostates orthodox Christianity appeals to.

They didn't appeal to him, they shared a truth he showed. A truth that exposes trinity religions as false.

 

[Keiw1]

The name Jehovah does not appear in the text

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

and the lord is identified as Jesus in verse 59

The watchtower has added to scripture once again,

and you failed to address the fact of who receives departed spirits according to the Old Testament.

Sad you don't know the Father Jehovah. Jesus warned you-John 15:20-21

 

[Keiw1]

What part of and to the lamb did you fail to understand

Revelation 5:12–14 (NASB95) — 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” 13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

The lamb receives equal honor for the same duration as God

They fell and worshipped the one on the throne, not the lamb.

 

[Keiw1]

Sorry, the Watchtower added the name without the support of any manuscripts

There is support, ones in darkness will not believe it. Yet these 3 sources of fact proves the name Jehovah belongs there
1)Scriptures by the institute for scriptural research
2)the Exegesis by Herb Jahn
3)New Englishmans Hebrew concordance by George V. Wigram
These are the 3 non JW sources the divine name kjv( 2015) used and out the name Jehovah there =Why? Because it belongs there.
Ones like you believing errors over truth outright refuse to believe proven facts because it exposes your religions as false.

 

[TomL]

There is support, ones in darkness will not believe it. Yet these 3 sources of fact proves the name Jehovah belongs there
1)Scriptures by the institute for scriptural research
2)the Exegesis by Herb Jahn
3)New Englishmans Hebrew concordance by George V. Wigram
These are the 3 non JW sources the divine name kjv( 2015) used and out the name Jehovah there =Why? Because it belongs there.
Ones like you believing errors over truth outright refuse to believe proven facts because it exposes your religions as false.

Yet, there remains multiple places where there is no manuscript evidence for the presence of the divine name. The Watchtower has added it to deny connection with Christ.

The issue has been in particular the addition in the New Testament. Wigram's Hebrew concordance has nothing whatsoever to do with that.

And you provide no evidence at all that it actually belongs there

 

[TomL]

They fell and worshipped the one on the throne, not the lamb.

The text does not say that

Revelation 5:12–14 (NASB95) — 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” 13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

The lamb receives equal honor for the same duration as God

And the amen and the honor are clearly given to both the Lamb and God equally

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

In accord with scripture and contrary to your theology

 

[TomL]

Sad you don't know the Father Jehovah. Jesus warned you-John 15:20-21

You ignored scripture and context once again

The name Jehovah does not appear in the text

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

and the lord is identified as Jesus in verse 59

The watchtower has added to scripture once again,

and you failed to address the fact of who receives departed spirits according to the Old Testament.

 

[TomL]

Honoring the son that brings honor to the Father= learning, applying, obeying all that Jesus ACTUALLY taught. Like the 9 teachings i share that are in every translation on Earth, but get kicked out of trinity sights for sharing them.

Why do you ignore the fact of praise, worship, and service


John 5:23 (LEB) — 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

Revelation 5:8–14 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The same praise for the same duration is given to God and the lamb
Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And Service which is only to be given to Jehovah

1 Corinthians 1:2 (LEB) — 2 to the church of God sanctified in Christ Jesus that is in Corinth, called to be saints, together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours.

2 Corinthians 12:8 (LEB) — 8 Three times I appealed to the Lord about this, that it would depart from me.

Acts 7:59 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”

1 John 5:15 (LEB) — 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked from him.

John 14:13 (LEB) — 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Acts 1:24 (LEB) — 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen

and prayer

 

[TomL]

They didn't appeal to him, they shared a truth he showed. A truth that exposes trinity religions as false.

Quoting a spiritist for evidence. LOL

 

[Keiw1]

Yet, there remains multiple places where there is no manuscript evidence for the presence of the divine name. The Watchtower has added it to deny connection with Christ.

The issue has been in particular the addition in the New Testament. Wigram's Hebrew concordance has nothing whatsoever to do with that.

And you provide no evidence at all that it actually belongs there

God will show the whole world who is correct. You best relook.

 

[Keiw1]

The text does not say that

Revelation 5:12–14 (NASB95) — 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” 13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

The lamb receives equal honor for the same duration as God

And the amen and the honor are clearly given to both the Lamb and God equally

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

In accord with scripture and contrary to your theology

None who has a God gets worship=1+1=2

 

[Keiw1]

Why do you ignore the fact of praise, worship, and service


John 5:23 (LEB) — 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

Revelation 5:8–14 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The same praise for the same duration is given to God and the lamb
Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And Service which is only to be given to Jehovah

1 Corinthians 1:2 (LEB) — 2 to the church of God sanctified in Christ Jesus that is in Corinth, called to be saints, together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours.

2 Corinthians 12:8 (LEB) — 8 Three times I appealed to the Lord about this, that it would depart from me.

Acts 7:59 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”

1 John 5:15 (LEB) — 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked from him.

John 14:13 (LEB) — 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Acts 1:24 (LEB) — 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen

and prayer

None who has a God gets worship.

 

[TomL]

None who has a God gets worship.

Again you ignore scripture

Why do you ignore the fact of praise, worship, and service


John 5:23 (LEB) — 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

Revelation 5:8–14 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The same praise for the same duration is given to God and the lamb
Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And Service which is only to be given to Jehovah

1 Corinthians 1:2 (LEB) — 2 to the church of God sanctified in Christ Jesus that is in Corinth, called to be saints, together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours.

2 Corinthians 12:8 (LEB) — 8 Three times I appealed to the Lord about this, that it would depart from me.

Acts 7:59 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”

1 John 5:15 (LEB) — 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked from him.

John 14:13 (LEB) — 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Acts 1:24 (LEB) — 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen

and prayer

Hebrews 1:6 (LEB) — 6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.”

and worship