Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh

TomL

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The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh
 
The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh
Close, but no cigar. yes, JESUS is God, but his name is not Jehovah/Yahweh. this is a man made name. this is quickly exposed. Listen and Learn. Exodus 6:1 "Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land." Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:" Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

here is the dilemma. God just said, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

now, STOP the Press. Abraham did not KNOW the Name JEHOVAH as his God... read Exodus 6:3 again. NOW THIS, Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son." Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." WHAT? did not God say Abraham did not know him as Jehovah? and do God Lie? NO. so how did the Name "Jehovah" get in Abraham mouth? answer, the Translators put it there. the translation, it was a LIE of the translators. God personal Name was NEVER "Jehovah", English, nor "Yahweh" Hebrew. this is a MAN MADE NAME given to God.

The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH, (I AM), to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), made. they added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the spiritual noose around your neck. arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH",

here is the big problem. "I AM or YHWH/JHVH is a VERB, and not a NOUN.... Hello.
H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.

Verbs are not NOUNS. Nouns make personal Names, not verbs.... verbs describe ACTION. I AM King, I AM SAVIOUR, I AM Everlasting... ect.

but the bible ALWAYS, (at least the KJV) always do correct these mistakes. Listen and Learn. Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I." Shall is a future tense designation. meaning they in Abraham day and they in Isaiah time did not KNOW God personal name, (because he had not yet manifested in flesh). but the scripture states "therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I." WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? answer, John 8:21 "Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come." John 8:22 "Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come." John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." I AM... I AM..... I AM he, JESUS. if you don't believe that .... "you will die in your sins." BINGO.... Check .... Mate.

keep that false name in your mouth, you will have what you speak as Proverbs say.... DEATH. "for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." how clear can one get.

101G.
 
now the term "ONE", H259 ECHAD. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
one: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

OUR ANSWER LAY IN DEFINITION #2. and Ordinal First as in "First and Last", and the Lord Jesus in Revelation is the First ..... and the Last. not two person, but the same "ONE" person. the Ignorance come from not knowing how "ONE" in the ECHAD is an ordinal designation of oneself.... (smile).

the Key is in the scripture, "ONE"..... "LORD", but is not God "Lord" ... also? ........ (smile), :cool: YIKES!

101G.
 
now the term "ONE", H259 ECHAD. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
one: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

OUR ANSWER LAY IN DEFINITION #2. and Ordinal First as in "First and Last", and the Lord Jesus in Revelation is the First ..... and the Last. not two person, but the same "ONE" person. the Ignorance come from not knowing how "ONE" in the ECHAD is an ordinal designation of oneself.... (smile).

the Key is in the scripture, "ONE"..... "LORD", but is not God "Lord" ... also? ........ (smile), :cool: YIKES!

101G.
Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one (echad) flesh.
 
Genesis 2:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one (echad) flesh.
Lol, lol, 101G told you God is Spirit.... you cannot use that in the Godhead, next.......

101G.
 
Lol, lol, 101G told you God is Spirit.... you cannot use that in the Godhead, next.......

101G.
Sorry that appears to be but an assumption on your part

John 8:17–18 (KJV 1900) — 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Two
 
The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh
You are misleading people to destruction in your darkness.
 
You are misleading people to destruction in your darkness.
You cannot rebut the scripture posted, and you have surrendered your intellectual integrity to the watchtower

The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh
 
You cannot rebut the scripture posted, and you have surrendered your intellectual integrity to the watchtower

The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh
Yes Jehovah =the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
 
Yes Jehovah =the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Once again you failed to address the scripture as was stated

You cannot rebut the scripture posted, and you have surrendered your intellectual integrity to the watchtower

The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh

The watchtower has left you answer less.
 
Once again you failed to address the scripture as was stated



The watchtower has left you answer less.
The bible is clear, the darkness of altered translation prevents you from knowing truth-- Isaiah 42:8--I am Jehovah that is my name
Isaiah 44:26- I am Jehovah beside me( not we) there is no other God.
Ezekial 38:23--I will magnify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations, and they will have to know i am Jehovah.
 
The bible is clear, the darkness of altered translation prevents you from knowing truth-- Isaiah 42:8--I am Jehovah that is my name
Isaiah 44:26- I am Jehovah beside me( not we) there is no other God.
Ezekial 38:23--I will magnify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations, and they will have to know i am Jehovah.
You still have not addressed these

You cannot rebut the scripture posted, and you have surrendered your intellectual integrity to the watchtower

The Shema of Israel

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

and with the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

One lord that is YHWH echad

and in an English translation of the LXX

Deuteronomy 6:4 (LES2) — 4 “And these are the ordinances and the judgments that the Lord commanded the sons of Israel when they came out from the land of Egypt: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

It is substituted for by the EIS Kyrios in the Greek Septuagint

It is repeated here


Mark 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

where once again EIS Kyrios appears

Jehovah is the one lord or eis Kyrios in the greek

Finally

1 Corinthians 8:6 (UASV) — 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

One lord (Eis Kyrios) and the title is attributed to Jesus

Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh

And btw trinitarian agree there is no God but Jehovah

We just do not agree with your claim Jehovah is but one person
 
Always called he or i--never we.
Lets see

Genesis 1:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Isaiah 6:8 (LEB) — 8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “I am here! Send me!”
 
Lets see

Genesis 1:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Isaiah 6:8 (LEB) — 8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “I am here! Send me!”
Gen 1:27-- And God proceeded to make man in his( not ours) image. Proving you twist verse 26-because you do not know Jesus=Gods master worker= us=Jehovah and his master worker.
 
Gen 1:27-- And God proceeded to make man in his( not ours) image. Proving you twist verse 26-because you do not know Jesus=Gods master worker= us=Jehovah and his master worker.
Lol

I quoted the verse as it even appears in your own translation

Gen 1:26 And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth."

The "our" has the same image as does God

as does Christ

Colossians 1:15 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

Who created all things

Gen 1:27 does not help your position at all
 
Lol

I quoted the verse as it even appears in your own translation

Gen 1:26 And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth."

The "our" has the same image as does God

as does Christ

Colossians 1:15 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

Who created all things

Gen 1:27 does not help your position at all
Yes Jesus is Gods image=not God. An image is never the real McCoy. In our image= The abilty to love and reason, be merciful and forgiving, etc.
John 1:3-Created-THROUGH Jesus= another did all of the creating. Just like this example- Jehovah parted the red sea-THROUGH-Moses.
 
Yes Jesus is Gods image=not God. An image is never the real McCoy. In our image= The abilty to love and reason, be merciful and forgiving, etc.
John 1:3-Created-THROUGH Jesus= another did all of the creating. Just like this example- Jehovah parted the red sea-THROUGH-Moses.
The image is God

If all things were created by or through him then he himself is uncreated as self creation is impossible

Hello
 
The image is God

If all things were created by or through him then he himself is uncreated as self creation is impossible

Hello
He is the firstborn of all creation. False religions twist it to mean something else because truth exposes their falseness.
 
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