Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh

[Keiw1]

BTW, you are to honor Christ as you honor the father


John 5:23 (LEB) — 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

You do not do that, so you do not proper honor the Father

Honor by obeying.

 

[TomL]

Honor by obeying.

You honor God with prayer and worship. You do not do so for Jesus; therefore you do not properly honor the Father.

 

[TomL]

Romans 10:13 and Acts 2:21= a quote of Joel 2:21-22-Those who call on the name of YHVH(Jehovah) will be saved.

And in Romans, that lord is Jesus

Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Again the watchtower teaches contrary to scripture.

 

[TomL]

These do what you think-Matt 7:21-23, but Jesus assures they will not be saved. You shared a partial truth, obeying makes one a believer. And as well the bible speaks of the real Jesus, there are 3 fake ones being taught to mislead.

You are skipping over the point. Are you calling on Jesus for salvation?

 

[Keiw1]

You honor God with prayer and worship. You do not do so for Jesus; therefore you do not properly honor the Father.

Jesus doesn't get prayer or worship. None with a God gets worship.

 

[Keiw1]

And in Romans, that lord is Jesus

Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Again the watchtower teaches contrary to scripture.

No its your altered translation that has lord at all 3 spots, God put-YHVH(Jehovah) at all 3 spots--you are being mislead.

 

[Keiw1]

You are skipping over the point. Are you calling on Jesus for salvation?

In answer to satan Jesus replied-- Matt 4:10-Go away satan. For it is written, it is YHVH(Jehovah) your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

 

[TomL]

In answer to satan Jesus replied-- Matt 4:10-Go away satan. For it is written, it is YHVH(Jehovah) your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

So then you do not honor Jesus as you honor the Father.

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And are disobedient to God

 

[TomL]

No its your altered translation that has lord at all 3 spots, God put-YHVH(Jehovah) at all 3 spots--you are being mislead.

Sorry, there are no Greek manuscripts that have YHVH there

Your society has altered the word of God to suit themselves

BTW Your NWT reads

Rom 10:9 For if you publicly declare that 'word in your own mouth,' that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says: "None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed."
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.

And even in verse 13 kurios (lord) appears in your Kingdom interlinear

Your version is corrupt and dishonest

 

[TomL]

Jesus doesn't get prayer or worship. None with a God gets worship.

You do not read the bible then

John 14:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

Hebrews 1:6 (LEB) — 6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.”

 

[Keiw1]

So then you do not honor Jesus as you honor the Father.

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And are disobedient to God

Honor to Jesus is by one obeying him and exercising faith in his sacrifice.

 

[Keiw1]

Sorry, there are no Greek manuscripts that have YHVH there

Your society has altered the word of God to suit themselves

BTW Your NWT reads

Rom 10:9 For if you publicly declare that 'word in your own mouth,' that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says: "None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed."
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.

And even in verse 13 kurios (lord) appears in your Kingdom interlinear

Your version is corrupt and dishonest

The only Greek manuscripts are Catholicism translating. Catholicism removed Gods name against his will by satans will to mislead.

 

[Keiw1]

You do not read the bible then

John 14:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

Hebrews 1:6 (LEB) — 6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.”

The Greek word Proskeneu, has 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king, 3 honor to a judge, and 2 others. Catholicism=( 2Thess 2:3) the son of peredition( great apostasy) put worship to one who has a God. Reality = obeisance to Gods appointed king is correct for Jesus. He has a God, God( Jehovah) does not have a God thus gets worship.

 

[TomL]

The Greek word Proskeneu, has 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king, 3 honor to a judge, and 2 others. Catholicism=( 2Thess 2:3) the son of peredition( great apostasy) put worship to one who has a God. Reality = obeisance to Gods appointed king is correct for Jesus. He has a God, God( Jehovah) does not have a God thus gets worship.

Your first problem is these are angels who are higher than man told to worship Christ

you second problem is prayer is directed to and answered by Jesus

John 14:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

Again, if you do not do this

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father.

then you do not honor the Father

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

 

[TomL]

The only Greek manuscripts are Catholicism translating. Catholicism removed Gods name against his will by satans will to mislead.

Again

Sorry, there are no Greek manuscripts that have YHVH there

Your society has altered the word of God to suit themselves

BTW Your NWT reads

Rom 10:9 For if you publicly declare that 'word in your own mouth,' that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says: "None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed."
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.

confirming Jesus is Lord

And even in verse 13 kurios (lord) appears in your Kingdom interlinear

Your version is corrupt and dishonest

 

[TomL]

Honor to Jesus is by one obeying him and exercising faith in his sacrifice.

You still fail here

So then you do not honor Jesus as you honor the Father.

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And are disobedient to God

 

[Keiw1]

You do not read the bible then

John 14:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

Hebrews 1:6 (LEB) — 6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.”

The Greek word Proskeneu, has 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king, 3 honor to a judge, and 2 others. Catholicism=( 2Thess 2:3) the son of peredition( great apostasy) put worship to one who has a God. Reality = obeisance to Gods appointed king is correct for Jesus. He has a God, God( Jehovah) does not have a God thus gets worship.

Your first problem is these are angels who are higher than man told to worship Christ

you second problem is prayer is directed to and answered by Jesus

John 14:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

Again, if you do not do this

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father.

then you do not honor the Father

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Told to worship Christ by mistranslating that Greek word. Obeisance is correct.

 

[Keiw1]

Again

Sorry, there are no Greek manuscripts that have YHVH there

Your society has altered the word of God to suit themselves

BTW Your NWT reads

Rom 10:9 For if you publicly declare that 'word in your own mouth,' that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says: "None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed."
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.

confirming Jesus is Lord

And even in verse 13 kurios (lord) appears in your Kingdom interlinear

Your version is corrupt and dishonest

LORD does not belong in the OT=YHVH(Jehovah) is what God put at every spot Catholicism put LORD, and every spot-GOD( all capitols)is in the altered translations. Nearly 6800 spots. You are being mislead.

 

[Keiw1]

You still fail here

So then you do not honor Jesus as you honor the Father.

John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB95) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

And are disobedient to God

Jesus spoke these words to you-John 15:20-21
Yes serve the real Jesus, the one who has a God. God does not have a God.

 

[TomL]

Jesus spoke these words to you-John 15:20-21
Yes serve the real Jesus, the one who has a God. God does not have a God.

Are you doing this


John 5:23 (NASB95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

if not, you are not honoring the Father