Salvation is according to the will of God

[brightfame52]

I'll say it. Total depravity is not the truth. It's implied to try an win arguments. Total depravity does not mean all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. In Calvinist theology it means that man is incapable of anything good because everything he does is corrupted whether it is good or bad, and that is not true. Abraham’s faith in God was not corrupt. Abraham is the father of faith and we are encouraged in the new testament to walk in the steps of Abraham’s faith.

Total Depravity is a Gospel Truth because it shows why Grace in Salvation is supreme.

 

[Shannon]

Total Depravity is a Gospel Truth because it shows why Grace in Salvation is supreme.

If all humanity were totally depraved, then this would include Abel, yet the apostle John tells us that Abel’s works were righteous. Remember the definition of depravity is a very evil quality or way of behaving: an evil or immoral act. The Bible never describes Abel in this way. On the contrary, the Bible repeatedly describes Abel and his works as righteous.

 

[brightfame52]

If all humanity were totally depraved, then this would include Abel, yet the apostle John tells us that Abel’s works were righteous. Remember the definition of depravity is a very evil quality or way of behaving: an evil or immoral act. The Bible never describes Abel in this way. On the contrary, the Bible repeatedly describes Abel and his works as righteous.

All humanity is depraved

 

[Jay]

All humanity is depraved

Not true, you are being deceived. The truth is, if humans are intrinsically sinful in their essence (i.e. “sinful nature”), then God created sin. The Reformed will of course argue, “No, man was created with a good nature, but that nature changed.” But how can a nature change? A nature is the definition of a thing, and can only be defined by the one who creates the thing. What is the nature of a brick, for example? It’s a small, rectangular, hand-held fire-baked building block. If a single brick is broken, it doesn’t change the definition of brick nature. even if someone destroys every brick in the world, that still doesn’t change the definition of what a brick is. It doesn’t change brick nature. A man cannot change his nature any more than a brick could change its nature. Only God can change the nature/definition/essence of a thing. But to do so would make God the author of sin. . . . . . .

To take it to a more personal level, did God make you personally? Did He knit you together in your mother’s womb? If not, then God is not your creator, and I suppose it doesn’t matter what He thinks. But if He did create you, then what kind of nature did He create you with? A good nature, or a sinful nature? The answer that the church has historically given is that you are created with a good nature. You are created in the image of God. You are created to be an icon of God—a picture of God, here on earth.

It is generally agreed among the Reformed that Christ was fully God and fully human. Unfortunately, the implications of this are not always understood by the Reformed. For if Christ is fully human, then He must have a human soul, a human will, a human mind—in short, a human nature. And yet He was without sin. This tells us that sin is not an integral part of human nature, and that one is still human apart from sin. Otherwise, either 1) Christ was just as sinful as we are, or else 2) Christ wasn’t fully human and can’t really save us.

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John 1:14 – And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Heb 2:11, 17 – For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren … Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High priest in things pertaining to God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.

 

[MTMattie]

@MTMattie



You've lost track. Jesus by His Death delivers them He died for from unbelief, false religion in the world, according to the will of God Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

There you go again,

You have been preaching non stop that those in the flesh cannot please God and therefore are not to be accepted. (You inplied it)

Now you say " He died for from unbelief, false religion in the world, according to the will of God Gal 1:4"

So which is it? It cannot be both.

 

[brightfame52]

Not true, you are being deceived. The truth is, if humans are intrinsically sinful in their essence (i.e. “sinful nature”), then God created sin. The Reformed will of course argue, “No, man was created with a good nature, but that nature changed.” But how can a nature change? A nature is the definition of a thing, and can only be defined by the one who creates the thing. What is the nature of a brick, for example? It’s a small, rectangular, hand-held fire-baked building block. If a single brick is broken, it doesn’t change the definition of brick nature. even if someone destroys every brick in the world, that still doesn’t change the definition of what a brick is. It doesn’t change brick nature. A man cannot change his nature any more than a brick could change its nature. Only God can change the nature/definition/essence of a thing. But to do so would make God the author of sin. . . . . . .

To take it to a more personal level, did God make you personally? Did He knit you together in your mother’s womb? If not, then God is not your creator, and I suppose it doesn’t matter what He thinks. But if He did create you, then what kind of nature did He create you with? A good nature, or a sinful nature? The answer that the church has historically given is that you are created with a good nature. You are created in the image of God. You are created to be an icon of God—a picture of God, here on earth.

It is generally agreed among the Reformed that Christ was fully God and fully human. Unfortunately, the implications of this are not always understood by the Reformed. For if Christ is fully human, then He must have a human soul, a human will, a human mind—in short, a human nature. And yet He was without sin. This tells us that sin is not an integral part of human nature, and that one is still human apart from sin. Otherwise, either 1) Christ was just as sinful as we are, or else 2) Christ wasn’t fully human and can’t really save us.

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All humanity is totally depraved

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

All humanity is totally depraved

Amen.

And all humanity is infinitely loved.
That's the part that Calvin failed to understand.

Depravation without salvation means the defeat of God's sovereignty.
Depravation with salvation means total victory for God.

 

[Shannon]

Total Depravity is a Gospel Truth because it shows why Grace in Salvation is supreme.

If Total Depravity is a Gospel Truth what about Abraham?

The scriptures tells us, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3, 9, 22; Galatians 3; 6; James 2:23).

Abraham had integrity of heart (Genesis 20:5-6) and a faithful heart towards God(Nehemiah 9:7, 8) and Abraham is called the friend of God (2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23). Throughout scripture God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Matthew 32:22; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:37; Acts 3:13; 7:32).

 

[brightfame52]

@Pancho Frijoles

And all humanity is infinitely loved.

Thats infinitely false !

 

[brightfame52]

If Total Depravity is a Gospel Truth what about Abraham?

The scriptures tells us, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3, 9, 22; Galatians 3; 6; James 2:23).

Abraham had integrity of heart (Genesis 20:5-6) and a faithful heart towards God(Nehemiah 9:7, 8) and Abraham is called the friend of God (2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23). Throughout scripture God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Matthew 32:22; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:37; Acts 3:13; 7:32).

What about Abraham ? He was saved by Grace !

 

[TomL]

@TomL

Doesnt have to say it, its implied. You just promoting a debate tactic, to win a argument.

Only in your mind

No verse speaks of being delivered from unbelief

You simply assume it

 

[TomL]

Same blessed Truth is found in Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

To be delivered from the power of darkness is to be delivered from unbelief and ignorance.

Nothing there about being delivered from unbelief.

Rather those who believe are delivered from their sin.

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

 

[brightfame52]

What part of John Calvin's man made gospel is:

God is definitely “not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9

Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ Ezekiel 33:11

(God) who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.1 Timothy 2:4

The only ones God isnt willing that they perish is His elect, His special little flock of sheep Matt 18:11-14

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.