Salvation is according to the will of God

[MTMattie]

Its implied, delivered from this present evil world, accordiing to the will of God Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Unbelief is one of our sins He gave Himself for, to deliver us from the god of this age who blinds the minds of the lost so they believe not2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Who were the lost that were preached to by Paul in the NT, and who were the lost from Adam to Jesus' birth?

We know that Heb 11:6 tells us, And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Calvinism is the Gospel, see u at the Judgment

No it is not.

 

[MTMattie]

Calvinism is the Gospel, see u at the Judgment. And Salvation is according to the will of God,not man Gal 1:4

Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

You dont even understand the predestination that John Calvin's Calvinism came from.

 

[MTMattie]

@Behold



You calling the Gospel the devils work

When you add to the Gospel by inferring stuff that is not there..... what do you think.

We are told not to do that... or have you forgotten?

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong Calvinism the devils work

You calling the Gospel the devils work

 

[brightfame52]

@MTMattie

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Correct, a lost person cant believe the Gospel because its hid from the lost. Thats why Jesus has to first save a person in order for them to believe Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[brightfame52]

You dont even understand the predestination that John Calvin's Calvinism came from.

Calvinism is the Gospel. I have a thread on it

 

[MTMattie]

@MTMattie



Correct, a lost person cant believe the Gospel because its hid from the lost. Thats why Jesus has to first save a person in order for them to believe Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Then why does the Holy Spirit live in me?

It is because I believe in the Gospel yes, but first and foremost is I believe in Jesus.

And I trust in His shed blood. Not on John Calvins lunatic self appointed prophetical views. He is you know. A self appointed prophet.

No man ., clergy, pope or priest claimed such for him... He did it himself....

Teaching that God would never accept the reprobate. Teaching that they are doomed. And this being the supposed same God we all have been taught is "love" For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..... Have you forgotten that.

If you choose to believe in predestination.... so be it. Just do not link it to John Calvin..... or tulip.

Which BTW do you even know about tulip? All Calvin people link it to scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Then why does the Holy Spirit live in me?

It is because I believe in the Gospel yes, but first and foremost is I believe in Jesus.

And I trust in His shed blood. Not on John Calvins lunatic self appointed prophetical views. He is you know. A self appointed prophet.

No man ., clergy, pope or priest claimed such for him... He did it himself....

Teaching that God would never accept the reprobate. Teaching that they are doomed. And this being the supposed same God we all have been taught is "love" For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..... Have you forgotten that.

If you choose to believe in predestination.... so be it. Just do not link it to John Calvin..... or tulip.

Which BTW do you even know about tulip? All Calvin people link it to scripture.

I dont judge truth by what is going on with you or in you. And if you reject calvinisn/tulip no you dont believe the Gospel

 

[Richard]

Its implied, delivered from this present evil world, accordiing to the will of God Gal 1:4

I see now ...It's implied when you add your misinterpretation.

 

[Cyrus]

You calling the Gospel the devils work

Wrong!
I'm calling Calvinism the devils work. Calvinism has no part in the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

I see now ...It's implied when you add your misinterpretation.

No you dont see now !

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong!
I'm calling Calvinism the devils work. Calvinism has no part in the gospel.

You calling the Gospel the devils work! Its written,

Isa 5 20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Cyrus]

No you dont see now !

That is only implied by you. It's another of your misinterpretations.

 

[brightfame52]

That is only implied by you. It's another of your misinterpretations.

We will see at the Judgment wont we ?

 

[Cyrus]

You calling the Gospel the devils work! Its written,

Isa 5 20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

I'm calling Calvinism the devils work. Calvinism is a different Gospel.

A Different Gospel​

6 I am astonished that you are turning away so quickly from the one who called you by the grace of Christ to a different gospel, 7 not that there is a different gospel, except there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim a gospel to you contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let him be accursed!
Galatians 1:6-8

I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4

 

[Cyrus]

We will see at the Judgment wont we ?

Sure if it makes you feel better.

 

[TomL]

Its implied, delivered from this present evil world, accordiing to the will of God Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world/age, according to the will of God and our Father:

Unbelief is one of our sins He gave Himself for, to deliver us from the god of this age who blinds the minds of the lost so they believe not2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world/age hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Before one can believe they need to delivered from the god of this age who blinds their mind!

Sorry no

No verse speaks of being delivered from unbelief

One believes, then one is saved

Either posts a verse which states what you claim or give it up

 

[brightfame52]

@Cyrus

I'm calling Calvinism the devils work. Calvinism is a different Gospel.

Sorry friend, you've been mislead, Tulip Doctrines are the Gospel of Gods Grace.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry no

No verse speaks of being delivered from unbelief

One believes, then one is saved

Either posts a verse which states what you claim or give it up

Its implied, delivered from this present evil world, accordiing to the will of God Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world/age, according to the will of God and our Father:

Unbelief is one of our sins He gave Himself for, to deliver us from the god of this age who blinds the minds of the lost so they believe not2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world/age hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Before one can believe they need to delivered from the god of this age who blinds their mind!

 

[MTMattie]

@Cyrus



Sorry friend, you've been mislead, Tulip Doctrines are the Gospel of Gods Grace.

I want the scripture... book, chapter and verse on what I put in red.​

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Calvin: Predestination

Calvin on predestination: To his glory, God determined before all creation those who would obtain eternal life, and those who would receive eternal death.

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Predestination According to Calvin​

According to John Calvin, predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that he would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life, while the others (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death (180, 184).” Calvin was careful to distinguish the predestination of individuals from the corporate election of nations such as Israel (185). He argued that an explanation of predestination is only complete when it includes the election of individuals (187).

Calvin described the basis of predestination in several ways. In general he affirmed that there is no basis for election outside of God. Referring to Eph. 1.9, Calvin noted that God purposed election “in Himself,” basing his decree of predestination on “nothing outside Himself (192).” Calvin attributed the salvation of the elect to God’s free decision to favor them (188). He variously described this as God’s “mere generosity (180, 187),” his “freely given mercy (189, 195, 211),” and the “good pleasure of His will (191; cf. Eph. 1.5).” Moreover, Calvin based the damnation of the reprobate solely in God’s decision (189, 200).

Since God’s reasons for predestination are wholly internal to his being (190), they are opaque to humanity. Ultimately, then, the basis of God’s predestination is mysterious and “utterly incomprehensible” to people (209). This mystery points to one of God’s purposes in predestination, to inspire wonder and reverence in believers (181). The things hidden in God are not to be understood by people, but rather revered in their “wonderful depth (179).” Indeed, for John Calvin the overarching purpose of predestination is for God to be glorified, both in the praise of the elect for his grace (192), and in the terrible yet glorious judgment of the reprobate (199).

Despite the mysterious basis of predestination, it is possible for the elect to be certain of their status as children of God (187). The first and seemingly most important indicator of election is what Calvin referred to as “the calling of God (3.24.4, 189).” His use of this term seems to refer to a subjective inward certainty that God has chosen a person for salvation. Elsewhere, Calvin suggested that having “knowledge of [God’s] name” and reflecting the process of sanctification are both indicators of election (189). Moreover, Calvin claimed that “communion with Christ” is sufficient proof of election (3.24.5): since we are elected in Jesus Christ (Eph. 1.4), we cannot seek the certainty of election “apart from the Son (3.24.5).” Calvin also seemed to obscurely suggest that the daily blessings received from the hand of God might rightly be perceived as an indication of election, “that secret adoption (3.24.4).” Together, these signs—the foremost being “the calling of God,”—yield certainty of salvation and tranquil peace with God (3.24.4).


John Calvin also defined his doctrine of predestination in opposition to differing views held by his contemporaries. First, Calvin took up the view that God predestines people according to his foreknowledge of their works. While Calvin affirmed the foreknowledge of God (184), he denied that God “adopts as sons those whom He foreknows will not be unworthy of His grace,” and damns those he knows will be inclined to “evil intention and ungodliness

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continuing

(190).” From Ephesians 1.4 he argued that one purpose of God’s election was to make his children holy. Since holiness is to be produced by election, it made no sense to Calvin to assert the reverse (191-2). Moreover, the whole point of teaching that election took place before creation (Eph. 1.4) is to demonstrate that election had nothing to do with meritorious works (191). Indeed, for Calvin another important purpose of predestination was to communicate that salvation is not based on individual merit but solely on God’s grace (191).

Second, Calvin took up the view that God elects some but condemns none (200). Calvin saw this view as “highly absurd” since it seemed to imply that the salvation received by the elect could also be attained by the non-elect as a result of “chance” or “their own effort (200).” Rejecting this inconsistent implication, Calvin asserted that the reprobate are those God intentionally neglects to choose (200). From Rom. 9.14ff, Calvin argued that the hardening of non-elect hearts is as much attributable to God as is mercy. Moreover, he noted that Paul did not shy away from this dreadful conclusion, but rather questioned the right of the clay to protest the Potter’s work (Rom. 9.20), and linked condemnation of the reprobate to God’s glory (Rom. 9.22-23). For John Calvin, election could not but stand “over against reprobation (200).”