Predestination and Determinism

So the correct interpretation is, after all, "This is the WORK OF GOD", not "This is the WORK GOD REQUIRES".

You haven't established a meaningful difference between the two. You're over simplifying.

It can be both a work of God and a work God requires.

God is SELF SATISFYING..... Which is the very foundation of Grace. He doesn't owe anyone.... anything. In theology we reference this a Aseity.

God never needs us. In your position, you are requiring that God needs YOU to the exclusion of others just like you.

God satisfied His own need in Christ. This does not void the necessity of the origins of faith in man to experience the result of what has already done to satisfy Himself.
 
You haven't established a meaningful difference between the two. You're over simplifying.

Actually, free-willers on here have established a meaningful difference between the two, since they insist the answer must conform to the question of "what work must we do?" and therefore it can't mean "This is the work of God". I'm just pointing it out.

I'll leave it here. If you want to continue to argue, argue with those who claim it must mean "This is the WORK REQUIRED BY GOD" and not "This is the work of God".
 
Actually, free-willers on here have established a meaningful difference between the two, since they insist the answer must conform to the question of "what work must we do?" and therefore it can't mean "This is the work of God". I'm just pointing it out.

I think you know that I make my own arguments. I'm not an Arminian. There is Truth and error in all of the systematic theologies I've ever known. I make my own arguments.

I'll leave it here. If you want to continue to argue, argue with those who claim it must mean "This is the WORK REQUIRED BY GOD" and not "This is the work of God".

I feel confident that @civic doesn't fit this narrative concerning his belief. He well knows and recognizes the "Aseity" of God. We have discussed it many many times over the years.

I've enjoyed discussion this with you brother. Let me know if you would like to discuss it further.
 
This is the day that the lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it.

So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Romans 14:16-19

 
Do you understand the difference between grounds for boasting and actual boasting?

If you do then all you have done is post more irrelevant proof texts. A common practice among Provisionists.

Just keep repeating yourselfif it's your faith and you choose to exercise it correctly and are rewarded for doing so, that's called MERIT.

And I answered. "Come let us reason together".

Who is ignoring His word? Your position is contradictory and unbiblical.
It is rather clear you are

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Romans 4:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


Scripture declares faith establishes that is by grace

You reject that and claim it is merit

Scripture instead calls it grace
 
This is the day that the lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it.

So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Romans 14:16-19

I have to say this... :)

Piper didn't make peace with Gregory Boyd........
 
It is rather clear you are

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Romans 4:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


Scripture declares faith establishes that is by grace

You reject that and claim it is merit

Scripture instead calls it grace
Your position is contradictory and unbiblical. You teach, whether you know it or not, teaches your faith has merit.
 
Faith is only a gift to believers, i.e., those who have faith??
Yes read your Bible those who are already saved ( Ephesians 5) fruit of the infilling/ indwelling of the Holy Spirit can have the gift of faith , faithfulness.

Every cherry picked out of context Calvinists use about faith as a gift or granted they are already believers, followers of God/ Christ.

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So the correct interpretation is, after all, "This is the WORK OF GOD", not "This is the WORK GOD REQUIRES".
God is not believing for you

that you must do

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Acts 2:37–38 (KJV 1900) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
This is the exhausted list used by Calvinist to try and prove faith is a gift. Guess what it’s all those who are already saved , believers.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ,
not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of ourfaith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
to them that have obtained like precious faith with us
through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

1Co 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another?
and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?
now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory,
as if thou hadst not received it?
 
God is not believing for you

that you must do

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Acts 2:37–38 (KJV 1900) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Yep 👍
 
God is not believing for you

that you must do

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Acts 2:37–38 (KJV 1900) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I never said God believes for you, that's your antagonistic misrepresentation. You should debate this with @praise_yeshua, since he believe it's both "This is the work of God" AND "This is the work God requires", that the former covers the latter.

As for me, it is "This is the work of God". To make it the work God requires nullifies grace, because if you are saved by a work required by God, God is obligated to save you. It is no longer unmerited.
 
I never said God believes for you, that's your antagonistic misrepresentation. You should debate this with @praise_yeshua, since he believe it's both "This is the work of God" AND "This is the work God requires", that the former covers the latter.

As for me, it is "This is the work of God". To make it the work God requires nullifies grace, because if you are saved by a work required by God, God is obligated to save you. It is no longer unmerited.
If your faith was given to you then it’s not your faith , it’s Gods.
 
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