Exactly. If you choose correctly you are rewarded with eternal life. MERIT
Predestination and Determinism
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Nope
You need to think biblically not Calvinistically
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Sorry if you think that you do not understand faith
You need to think logically not Provisionistically.
If it's your faith and you choose to exercise it correctly you are rewarded. Do this and you get this. MERIT
There you go failing to think biblically having just ignored the scripture
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
scripture just affirmed faith is in accordance with grace, but you want to make meritorious
Ignoring scripture and thinking Calvinistically
Actually you ignore as you do tge obvious.
If it's your faith and you choose to exercise it correctly and are rewarded for doing so it has merit.
Provisionist ignore the obvious
again you exalt your reasoning against the word of God
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
scripture just affirmed faith is in accordance with grace, but you want to make meritorious
what makes you imagine your reasoning is a substitute for God's word?
Lol, it's not reasoning. It's common sense. Words mean things such as the word merit.
If you choose to exercise YOUR faith correctly, you are rewarded. Thats merit by anyone's definition.
Keep repeating yourself though. Maybe the definition will change by the time your done.
Sorry but that is exactly what it is
You substitute your reasoning for the word of God
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
scripture just affirmed faith is in accordance with grace, but you want to make meritorious opposing scripture
As i asked previously what makes you imagine your reasoning is a substitute for God's word?
"Sorry, but that's exactly what it is".
You are correct. It's merit by any definition.
Now we're back to don't use reason and logic if it does not quite line up with Provisionism.
read again
Sorry but that is exactly what it is
You substitute your reasoning for the word of God
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
scripture just affirmed faith is in accordance with grace, but you want to make meritorious opposing scripture
As i asked previously what makes you imagine your reasoning is a substitute for God's word?
Nope. It's merit no matter how you slice it.
Your in De Nile.
God says "come let us REASON together". That should answer your question.
Again you exalt your reasoning above the word of God
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
scripture just affirmed faith is in accordance with grace, but you want to make meritorious opposing scripture
As i asked previously what makes you imagine your reasoning is a substitute for God's word?
Ps you are not reasoning together by ignoring his word
Just keep repeating yourself.
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Ignoring His word? I ignore your silly understanding, not the word itself.
synergy
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Read Matt 25:23. A faithful servant is one who multiplies his God-given "talents" and enters into the joy of the Lord. No boasting to be seen here. A calvinist would rip that parable out of his Bible and scream "Merit!" in utter horror.
23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’
Rockson
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This is one of those statements that yes it is but no it's not depending on what one is meaning. Is Faith a gift from God? Well it would have to be that is in a certain sense but let's make sure we keep it categorized in context correctly. There is THIS about what's called a spiritual gift of faith,
1 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit......... (and down to verse 8,9) 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1 Cor 12: 4,9
So there we see FAITH we can say of a certain type is given as a gift but what is that saying and what isn't it saying? This is faith of certain type which is imparted for ministry at a certain place at a certain time. This is really talking about a supernatural boldness of knowing something with confidence will happen when you do a certain thing.
This is not FAITH of a different type, the larger type which has to do with our own personal lives.....that is FAITH for things relative to us like salvation or other everyday faith needed to walk in our own lives before God, THIS RATHER is a supernatural boldness of knowing something and as I say it's basically only connected to the ministry of others outside of yourself.
So again needs to be defined. We can say David in the Psalms would indeed muster up faith and confidence in God by reminding himself of God's word and ways. So when WE yes I said WE meditate upon the words of Jesus and the promises of God we are solidifying and strengthening our faith. The Bible says let the words of Christ dwell in us richly. Why?
Because we're putting ourselves in the place of having faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God but in a sense we are mustering it up by taking the actions of what we do with our time.....dwelling upon and thinking upon God's word. But no it's not a willpower thing. It's merely a thing of enlightenment where when we know God is good and keeps his word and when we see then what he says......you're in the place of faith.
Johann
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And no mention of the Holy Spirit-while I appreciate your attempt to put it in context I stand by what I have posted.
Some examples of the Definite Article with pisteos
Romans 3:22 - "διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ" (dia pisteos Iesou Christou) - This passage refers to "faith in Jesus Christ" with the definite article "Ἰησοῦ" (Iesou).
Romans 10:8 - "ἡ δὲ πίστις ἣν κηρύσσομεν" (he de pistis hen kerussomen) - This verse mentions "the faith" that is proclaimed, emphasizing the specific nature of the faith being discussed.
1 Timothy 3:9 - "ἔχοντες τὸ μυστήριον τῆς πίστεως" (echontes to mysterion tes pisteos) - Here, the passage talks about holding "the mystery of the faith," indicating a specific and defined aspect of faith.
Shalom @Rockson
Lily
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Yes I read what you were talking about. And I added my thoughts to it. They were what I was talking about.
What's the bible say about people believing in God in name only?
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; and avoid such men as these. 2 Timothy 3:5
civic
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I wonder at times since it was never their own faith to begin with and they were zapped with it from an outside impersonal force.
civic
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think of the religious faith of the pharisees that Jesus condemned.
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