Praying to Jesus

[Studyman]

Can you SEE by these Scriptures that the ROCK of our Salvation is CHRIST

Why do you refuse to answer my questions, and yet ask me questions expecting an answer? I have always said and believed that the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, SENT the Christ, the Rock of my Salvation who became a mortal man, to show me in the way that I should go.

 

[DavidTree]

OH my goodness, I know you believe, like all Calvinists, Catholics, Mormons, JWs, SDA, Baptists, Armenians, Wesleyans, and the rest of the literally hundreds of religions of this world God placed me in, what you posted about yourself above. I didn't ask you about yourself.

I simply want you to answer my simple, relevant and easy to understand questions.

Here, let me try one more time, and this because you said you would answer my questions, and I believed you.

Thank you, I will post my questions again to make it easier to understand my questions.

"I believe God when HE defined His New Covenant in Jeremiah. What changed was the manner in which God's Laws are received, and how sins are atoned for, at least this is what HE said as you can see In God's Own Words.

"after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts".

So how did men receive God's Law in the First Covenant, according to Scriptures?

"For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

And how was forgiveness of Sins provided for in the First covenant, according to Scriptures?

It seems these are prudent questions that have an answer and must be answered before continuing."

These are important questions concerning the Covenant God is speaking about."

Why can't you simply answer the questions?

i have been answering your questions very SPECIFICALLY so PLEASE a little assistance.

What part of the answers given you in Posts 290 , 296 , 314 and 319 are you not clear on?

PS - the only question i have not yet answered is how sins were covered under the old covenant versus the NEW Covenant
Which also was answered in the NEW Covenant by the BLOOD of MESSIAH = the LAMB who takes away the sins of the world.

 

[Studyman]

Can you SEE by these Scriptures you posted that the ROCK of our Salvation is CHRIST

at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I asked you about this as well, and you also refused to answer this question from me. Here, I'll ask again.

You said;

"It remains only for the Jews who refuse to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins and or remain in Him.
Since they refuse to come to their MESSIAH, they will be judged by the law of Moses which will result in DEATH."

I asked;

Please answer a question for me. Did Zacharias refuse to come to his Savior for redemption of his sins? And did Simeon and Anna refuse "to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins"?

And according to Scriptures, what was the difference between Zacharias, and the Pharisees?

If you are going to engage with others in Biblical discussions, isn't it the "Christ-Like" thing to do to answer questions asked of you?

 

[Studyman]

i have been answering your questions very SPECIFICALLY so PLEASE a little assistance.

What part of the answers given you in Posts 314 and 319 are you not clear on?

PS - the only question i have not yet answered is how sins were covered under the old covenant versus the NEW Covenant
Which also was answered in the NEW Covenant by the BLOOD of MESSIAH = the LAMB who takes away the sins of the world.

No David, you have only exalted yourself. You have not answered my questions, even though there is an answer.

It is clear you don't want to have an honest Biblical Discussion. And, of course, you must justify your behavior and I'm sure it's all my fault that you refuse to answer my simple questions.

Not sure of the benefit of continuing this conversation.

Good night David.

 

[DavidTree]

I asked you about this as well, and you also refused to answer this question from me. Here, I'll ask again.

You said;

"It remains only for the Jews who refuse to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins and or remain in Him.
Since they refuse to come to their MESSIAH, they will be judged by the law of Moses which will result in DEATH."

I asked;

Please answer a question for me. Did Zacharias refuse to come to his Savior for redemption of his sins? And did Simeon and Anna refuse "to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins"?

And according to Scriptures, what was the difference between Zacharias, and the Pharisees?

If you are going to engage with others in Biblical discussions, isn't it the "Christ-Like" thing to do to answer questions asked of you?

Please answer a question for me. Did Zacharias refuse to come to his Savior for redemption of his sins? And did Simeon and Anna refuse "to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins"?
Everyone who Believed the Word of God as Spoken beginning in GENSIS, all the way to MESSIAH received their sins forgiven thru FAITH.
Under the OC there was TEMPORARY provision thru animal blood sacrifices BEGINNING with PASSOVER.

These are a Foreshadow of CHRIST's PERMANENT BLOOD Sacrifice on the Cross = the LAMB who takes away the sins of the world.

ONE PERFECT SACRIFICE of MESSIAH's Own BODY/BLOOD covers the sins of the world = PAST/PRESENT/FUTURE

ONLY for those who have BELIEVED and SUBMIITED to the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST.

Very QUICK ANSWER here = ACTS

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[DavidTree]

No David, you have only exalted yourself. You have not answered my questions, even though there is an answer.

It is clear you don't want to have an honest Biblical Discussion. And, of course, you must justify your behavior and I'm sure it's all my fault that you refuse to answer my simple questions.

Not sure of the benefit of continuing this conversation.

Good night David.

All you questions have been answered: Posts 290 , 296, 314 , 319 , 325

Good Night

 

[Runningman]

100% TRUE

Except John the Baptist was born from Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth.

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The Word which was with God from the Beginning was placed inside Mary's womb via the Holy Spirit.

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father, full of Grace and Truth.

Thank you for agreeing. So when Jesus was sent by God then it doesn't mean he is God.

The Word becoming flesh doesn't refer to an incarnation. Please take a look at how the word "became" is used throughout the New Testament and see that it doesn't match.

 

[Runningman]

Not in revelation which you keep ignoring

Jesus the lamb is the only one specifically states to have a sword coming out of his mouth

Revelation 1:12–18 (NASB 2020) — 12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And after turning I saw seven golden lampstands; 13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and wrapped around the chest with a golden sash. 14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze when it has been heated to a glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

You are simply not willing to allow the text to speak for itself


Except the scene here is the book of revelation not the old terstament
Except the scene here is not the crucifixion but of war

Revelation 17:14 (NASB 2020) — 14 These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

And it is lamb in war

and he is clothed in a robe

Revelation 1:12–13 (NASB 2020) — 12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And after turning I saw seven golden lampstands; 13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and wrapped around the chest with a golden sash.

yet additional points of confirmation

If this was Jesus it would imply the Father has no idea what name was written on Jesus. Since the Father is omniscient and Jesus clearly isn't in Matthew 24:36 then the rider is the Father.

Revelation 1
12...He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows.
Matthew 24
36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Jesus is never described as having a robe dipped in blood in Scripture. Jesus was stripped of his clothing during his crucifixion and he wasn't wearing a robe, he was wearing a tunic. However, the Father is described as having a robe with blood on it. Furthermore, Jesus is never described as treading a winepress, but the Father is described as doing it alone.

Isaiah 63
3“I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.

Revelation 19
13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood...

Revelation 19
15...He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

There is not enough Biblical precedent to support your theory.

 

[Runningman]

And so you confess Christ judges

I do not need to as all judgment has been committed to Christ and he has the sword coming out of his mouth

As I noted


Revelation 19:11–16 (KJV 1900) — 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

compare

Revelation 1:13–18 (KJV 1900) — 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

and

Revelation 17:14 (NASB 2020) — 14 These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

The lamb is victorious in battle for he is the king of kings and the lord of lords

Your claim that changing the order of king of kings and lord of lord necessitates a change of person is absurd and a product of desparation


You have consistently ignored the facts seen in revelation and run elsewherer

Different contexts and you're disregarding the chronology of Revelation on this point. In Revelation 19:11, John recorded "Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse" but in Revelation 17:14-18 the Lamb was already on earth having his war. The Rider on the white horse isn't even in the same context as the Lamb nor in the same location.

Furthermore, most of the descriptors of the Rider on the white horse don't apply to Jesus and the ones that do apply to Jesus can just as easily apply to the Father. I believe your points have been soundly overruled by Scripture, especially given the fact Jesus and the Rider aren't described the same way or as in the same place at the same time.

 

[Runningman]

You are flat out denying Scripture now.

Joh 8:58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ᾿Ιησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν ᾿Αβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!

It was sufficient for Jesus to call himself "I Am". Jesus never got your memo that he would have to mention all his names before you would believe him. One name was sufficient for the Pharisees to want to stone him.

This is the third time that you have avoided John 6:46 and John 14:9 like the plague. Heretics will do that.

Nominative case is used for declarations rather than addressing someone or oneself by a name or title. Furthermore, the "I AM" is a title, so Jesus would have needed to say something like "I AM the I AM" such as how God did in Exodus 3:14, saying, “I AM WHO I AM.” Which is explicitly a statement about God identifying Himself with a title He has assigned to Himself.

Jesus on the other hand, saying "I am" doesn't mean the same thing God did. It's also problematic that since Jesus isn't the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob according to Acts 3:13 that he isn't the I AM. He isn't God. Just how it is in Scripture.

 

[Selah]

No David, you have only exalted yourself. You have not answered my questions, even though there is an answer.

It is clear you don't want to have an honest Biblical Discussion. And, of course, you must justify your behavior and I'm sure it's all my fault that you refuse to answer my simple questions.

Not sure of the benefit of continuing this conversation.

Good night David.

Why are you accusing David falsely?

 

[Runningman]

Your tongue is in knots right now.

@Studyman has first replies from me - will get back to your statements that do not agree with God.

You made the accusation. Be a man and back it up by showing where I have called Jesus a liar. I did not call Jesus a liar nor do I believe he lied. Wow. Your true colors as an accuser are beginning to show David. That's disappointing.

 

[Runningman]

Please go back to your post in which i responded with = "Now you are lying about what JESUS said"

Which Scripture did I change? I was referring to John 17:3. Are you lying David?

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

 

[Runningman]

Um they are not false accusations

New Testament writers went out of their way to attribute to Christ attributes and Characteristics of Jehovah God which are seen in the Old Testament'

by running back there and ignoring the New Testament text, you are simply ignoring their message

and totally ignoring the evidence

The vast majority of things Jesus did or will do there are others who are doing the same who are not God.

 

[Runningman]

This is your ERROR which makes it a lie.

I said:

"So Jesus didn't literally pre-exist then. I have a Scriptural reason to believe this as well. So the way I understand John 17:5 is the glory God shared with Jesus before the foundation of the world wasn't literal because Jesus' glory was his crucifixion. That clarifies what glory Jesus was referring to."

So I take it you don't believe Jesus' death/crucifixion is his glory? You may want to take that up with Jesus dear David. He is the Lamb who was slain before the world was created, but not literally; it was only in God's foreknowledge and pre-destination. Jesus didn't literally pre-exist.

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John 12​

23But Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. ​

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John 17​

1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You.​

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Philippians 2​

8And being found in appearance as a man,​

He humbled Himself​

and became obedient to death—​

even death on a cross.​

9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place​

and gave Him the name above all names,​

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Hebrews 2​

9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.​

 

[synergy]

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Duet. 32: 28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them. 29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end! 30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up? 31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

Psalms 62: 5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him. 6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved. 7 In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.

Psalms 110: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The LORD shall send "the rod of thy strength" out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. 5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

Ps. 78:18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust. 19 Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can God furnish a table in the wilderness?
20 Behold, "he smote" the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people? 21 Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; 22 Because they "believed not in God", and trusted not "in his salvation":

Psalms 18: 46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let "the God of my salvation" be exalted.

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath "raised up an horn of salvation for us" in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

And although I could go on and on, I will finish with the Words of the Lord's Christ Himself.

Matthew 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, "and doeth them", I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Now please answer my question, am I considered by your religion a "Judaizer" because I believe all that is written in the Lawe and Prophets, like Paul?

Very good. I wanted to be sure that it was Christ that you were referring to.

Last question: Would you align yourself with Christ or the Pharisees when Jesus declared himself the "I Am" OT God who existed before Abraham existed? See John 8:58.

 

[Studyman]

Please answer a question for me. Did Zacharias refuse to come to his Savior for redemption of his sins? And did Simeon and Anna refuse "to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins"?
Everyone who Believed the Word of God as Spoken beginning in GENSIS, all the way to MESSIAH received their sins forgiven thru FAITH.

So Zacharias and Simeon were not under the Levitical Priesthood in which the people received God's Laws, and through which God provided for their forgivness?

Under the OC there was TEMPORARY provision thru animal blood sacrifices BEGINNING with PASSOVER.

Here is what the Holy Scriptures teach about the First Covenant.

Heb. 9: 1 Then verily the "first covenant" had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

Where is any of this existing in the Passover observance? You call Passover the Old Covenant, yet God didn't bring Israel out of Egypt until the day AFTER Passover. There was no Levite Priest, no alter, no tabernacle, no Ten Commandments.

So how is Passover a part of the First covenant Hebrews is speaking to?

If you had answered my questions concerning how men "received God's Laws, and how sins were forgiven in the old covenant, you would know better.

These are a Foreshadow of CHRIST's PERMANENT BLOOD Sacrifice on the Cross = the LAMB who takes away the sins of the world.

ONE PERFECT SACRIFICE of MESSIAH's Own BODY/BLOOD covers the sins of the world = PAST/PRESENT/FUTURE

ONLY for those who have BELIEVED and SUBMIITED to the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST.

But the Jesus "of the bible" said;

John 6: 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

We are to keep this observance throughout our life, "In remembrance of HIM". But what happened to the Levitical Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron"?

Very QUICK ANSWER here = ACTS

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Yes, as Zacharias and Simeon, still under the Levitical Priesthood, understood.

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us "in the house of his servant David"; (Not Levi)

Luke 2: 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Passover is never, was never and will never be a part of the Levitical Priesthood that grew old and was ready to vanish. It is not part of the old Covenant that became old and vanished.

 

[Studyman]

Why are you accusing David falsely?

I'm not. Here, I'll ask you these simple questions and see if you can bring yourself to answer them.

"I believe God when HE defined His New Covenant in Jeremiah. What changed was the manner in which God's Laws are received, and how sins are atoned for, at least this is what HE said as you can see In God's Own Words.

"after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts".

So how did men receive God's Law in the First Covenant, according to Scriptures?

"For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

And how was forgiveness of Sins provided for in the First covenant, according to Scriptures?

It seems these are prudent questions that have an answer and must be answered before continuing."

These are important questions concerning the Covenant God is speaking about."

 

[synergy]

Nominative case is used for declarations rather than addressing someone or oneself by a name or title. Furthermore, the "I AM" is a title, so Jesus would have needed to say something like "I AM the I AM" such as how God did in Exodus 3:14, saying, “I AM WHO I AM.” Which is explicitly a statement about God identifying Himself with a title He has assigned to Himself.

There's more to Exo 3:14 than what you were willing to show. Let's see why you did that.

(Exo 3:14) And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And He said, So you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.

"I Am" is God's name, one of many.

So here you are trying to correct God as to how he names himself to Moses. Heretics will always take liberties like that.

Not only that but you are flat out denying Scripture.

John 8:58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ᾿Ιησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν ᾿Αβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!

Jesus on the other hand, saying "I am" doesn't mean the same thing God did. It's also problematic that since Jesus isn't the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob according to Acts 3:13 that he isn't the I AM. He isn't God. Just how it is in Scripture.

I do acknowledge Acts 3:13 but Ex 3 talks about a Divine Appearance. John 6:46 precludes the possibility that it's the Father appearing but John 14:9 allows the Father to be seen when one sees Jesus, the Preincarnate Jesus in this case. So stop being true to your name "Runningman" and start acknowledging the true Jesus who is God.

This is the 4th time that you have avoided John 6:46 and John 14:9 like the plague. Heretics will do that.

Conclusion: Jesus is the "I Am" OT God.

 

[Studyman]

Very good. I wanted to be sure that it was Christ that you were referring to.

Last question: Would you align yourself with Christ or the Pharisees when Jesus declared himself the "I Am" OT God who existed before Abraham existed? See John 8:58.

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory "which I had with thee" before the world was. 6 "I have manifested thy name" unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

The falsehood being promoted on this forum, and throughout the religions of this world, is the lie that this same Rock didn't come to earth as "Fully Man". And that He overcame temptation and sin "Because" HE was Fully God and couldn't die, couldn't sin, couldn't be tempted. Whereas the Holy Scriptures teach that this same Rock laid down His Immortal Life and overcame through Great Faith in His Father and became the first of many mortal humans to receive the gift of immortality because of their Faith in Him.

I am on the side of the Christ "of the bible", not the religions of this world God placed me in.