Praying to Jesus

[DavidTree]

By means of another love and of another word , another gospel , an idea of darkness has entered into
and now entertains many even within christendom .
Marvel not that this can occur .
Were we not warned of a falling away and of a time when they would not endure sound doctrine .
Were we not warned of a delusoin that all who rejected the love of the truth would buy and believe a lie .
Many have now put their faith into the Words of men who have come from within to at most
use the bible to SUPPORT a lie , a lie that cannot and will not save
but a lie that rather has come to grind men to powder on the DAY OF THE LORD .
A love has been sung by a well feathered bird
and tis song can be heard in many a church as well as in the world and the false religons .
That song says , Come ye one and come ye all , we all serve the same GOD
it matters not what ye believe , it matters not , you hold your rainbow high or you dollar high
your koran or your budda statue , for we all serve the same GOD .
And many have loved to have this so .
THE song of the well feathered bird makes many a heart sing with joy .
but to the lamb o GOD the song of the well feathered bird
Smells like a well rottted TURD . enjoy the rhyme my friend . cause that song STINKS to these nostrils .
THE ONLY thing that has a great smell and great taste to the lambs , IS EVERY WORD OF THE LORD . THE TRUTH .
that is as honey to the taste of a lamb
and the cup of a HARLOT they will not sip from .

Were we not warned of a falling away and of a time when they would not endure sound doctrine .
Were we not warned of a delusoin that all who rejected the love of the truth would buy and believe a lie .

ABSOLUTLY = LOUD and CLEAR

 

[DavidTree]

By means of another love and of another word , another gospel , an idea of darkness has entered into
and now entertains many even within christendom .
Marvel not that this can occur .
Were we not warned of a falling away and of a time when they would not endure sound doctrine .
Were we not warned of a delusoin that all who rejected the love of the truth would buy and believe a lie .
Many have now put their faith into the Words of men who have come from within to at most
use the bible to SUPPORT a lie , a lie that cannot and will not save
but a lie that rather has come to grind men to powder on the DAY OF THE LORD .
A love has been sung by a well feathered bird
and tis song can be heard in many a church as well as in the world and the false religons .
That song says , Come ye one and come ye all , we all serve the same GOD
it matters not what ye believe , it matters not , you hold your rainbow high or you dollar high
your koran or your budda statue , for we all serve the same GOD .
And many have loved to have this so .
THE song of the well feathered bird makes many a heart sing with joy .
but to the lamb o GOD the song of the well feathered bird
Smells like a well rottted TURD . enjoy the rhyme my friend . cause that song STINKS to these nostrils .
THE ONLY thing that has a great smell and great taste to the lambs , IS EVERY WORD OF THE LORD . THE TRUTH .
that is as honey to the taste of a lamb
and the cup of a HARLOT they will not sip from .

THE song of the well feathered bird makes many a heart sing with joy .
but to the lamb o GOD the song of the well feathered bird
Smells like a well rottted TURD

LOL = LOVE IT

 

[Studyman]

a judaizer is one who attempts to deceive you by returning to the old covenant which the LORD nailed to the Cross on His Body

According to Scriptures, the Pharisees were trying to deceive men into returning to the "Commandments of men" they taught for doctrines. According to the Jesus "of the Bible", The "Jews religion" were doctrines and traditions of men, and Jesus said they "Full well rejected" the Commandments of God. So when you say "a judaizer is one who attempts to deceive you by returning to the old covenant", whose "old Covenant" are you speaking to? And what was it?

It remains only for the Jews who refuse to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins and or remain in Him.
Since they refuse to come to their MESSIAH, they will be judged by the law of Moses which will result in DEATH.

Please answer a question for me. Did Zacharias refuse to come to his Savior for redemption of his sins? And did Simeon and Anna refuse "to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins"?

And according to Scriptures, what was the difference between Zacharias, and the Pharisees?

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

What was the "Yoke of Bondage" that entangled the Pharisees? Was Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and the Wise men also entangled in the same "Yoke of Bondage"? What does Paul mean when HE speaks of the "Circumcision"? Is this not the religious sect of the Pharisees?

1 Cor. 7: 18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

Can you show me how a man can be physically "uncircumcised"? Isn't Paul speaking to Jews and Gentiles here?

19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

What "LAW" were the Pharisees attempting to be justified by? The Laws of God Jesus said they "Full well rejected"? Or the Commandments of men Jesus said they taught for doctrines? And what does Paul mean when HE says "Of the Circumcision"?

It would be like today, adopting the religion of Catholicism, or Mormonism, or Protestantism ect. To be "Circumcised" according to Paul, was to be converted to the Pharisees religion, or as Paul called it in Galatians, "The Jews Religion".

It's silly to say that when my mom, a devout AOG member, had me "circumcised", I am a debtor to keep the whole Law and have became estranged from Christ.

Paul isn't talking about the physical act, he is speaking to the religious sect of the Pharisees, "the circumcision".

For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision (JEW) nor uncircumcision (GENTILE) avails anything, but faith working through love.
Galatians 5:1-6

Was Zacharias and Simeon engaged in "Faith working through God's Love"?

1 John 5: 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him "that begat" loveth him also "that is begotten" of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 "For this is the love of God", that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and "this is the victory" that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Is John therefore, a "Judaizer", attempting to deceive us into "Yielding Ourselves" servants to obey God?

Or is a "Judaizer" one who deceives us to serve the religious doctrines and traditions of this world?

I look forward to your answers to my questions.

 

[DavidTree]

According to Scriptures, the Pharisees were trying to deceive men into returning to the "Commandments of men" they taught for doctrines. According to the Jesus "of the Bible", The "Jews religion" were doctrines and traditions of men, and Jesus said they "Full well rejected" the Commandments of God. So when you say "a judaizer is one who attempts to deceive you by returning to the old covenant", whose "old Covenant" are you speaking to? And what was it?

Allow me to answer ONE question at a time so there is no confusion.

#1 - i am not referencing the pharisees as you are BUT the words of the LIVING ELOHIM = the ELOHIM of Israel

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,
My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” - Jerimiah 31:31-34

#2 - Did you SEE this which i posted: "The Ten Commandments are Eternal and RESIDE in MESSIAH"

SHALOM

 

[DavidTree]

According to Scriptures, the Pharisees were trying to deceive men into returning to the "Commandments of men" they taught for doctrines. According to the Jesus "of the Bible", The "Jews religion" were doctrines and traditions of men, and Jesus said they "Full well rejected" the Commandments of God. So when you say "a judaizer is one who attempts to deceive you by returning to the old covenant", whose "old Covenant" are you speaking to? And what was it?



Please answer a question for me. Did Zacharias refuse to come to his Savior for redemption of his sins? And did Simeon and Anna refuse "to come to their Savior for Redemption of their sins"?

And according to Scriptures, what was the difference between Zacharias, and the Pharisees?



What was the "Yoke of Bondage" that entangled the Pharisees? Was Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and the Wise men also entangled in the same "Yoke of Bondage"? What does Paul mean when HE speaks of the "Circumcision"? Is this not the religious sect of the Pharisees?

1 Cor. 7: 18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

Can you show me how a man can be physically "uncircumcised"? Isn't Paul speaking to Jews and Gentiles here?

19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.



What "LAW" were the Pharisees attempting to be justified by? The Laws of God Jesus said they "Full well rejected"? Or the Commandments of men Jesus said they taught for doctrines? And what does Paul mean when HE says "Of the Circumcision"?

It would be like today, adopting the religion of Catholicism, or Mormonism, or Protestantism ect. To be "Circumcised" according to Paul, was to be converted to the Pharisees religion, or as Paul called it in Galatians, "The Jews Religion".

It's silly to say that when my mom, a devout AOG member, had me "circumcised", I am a debtor to keep the whole Law and have became estranged from Christ.

Paul isn't talking about the physical act, he is speaking to the religious sect of the Pharisees, "the circumcision".



Was Zacharias and Simeon engaged in "Faith working through God's Love"?

1 John 5: 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him "that begat" loveth him also "that is begotten" of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 "For this is the love of God", that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and "this is the victory" that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Is John therefore, a "Judaizer", attempting to deceive us into "Yielding Ourselves" servants to obey God?

Or is a "Judaizer" one who deceives us to serve the religious doctrines and traditions of this world?

I look forward to your answers to my questions.

Let me know if you AGREE with Scripture in Post 264 and then i will continue to answer your questions = one at a time

SHALOM

 

[Selah]

The peace offering has come and come it has and has been given unto the realm of christendom .
But beware this trogan horse of peace , love , tolerance and unity .
For from within it , as men have slept , out came the wolves and have taken captive by cunning spun words
entire houses and churches with a love and a unity that was never once OF GOD but rather
of an enemy who played as though he were the friend of GOD
and now his men , from within have taken captive a peoples to serve , NOT GOD , but the dragon
and all shall yield glory and honor unto the beast unto whom this lie prepared the minds and the hearts
of said people to worship as one . A strong delusion has come and it has come in under the name of love
and the claim it is of GOD . beware it , for it grows daily and its end will be perdition .

Amen, friend… It’s ecumenicalism and communism, and already many Christians are being pulled in to accept this wickedness and abominations. Woe! It’s all around us now.

May God bless you,
Selah

 

[synergy]

Amen, friend… It’s ecumenicalism and communism, and already many Christians are being pulled in to accept this wickedness and abominations. Woe! It’s all around us now.

May God bless you,
Selah

Both deadly demons, I agree. I can see Ecumenism personified in the Baha'i Faith. Which faith is Communism personified in?

 

[Selah]

Allow me to answer ONE question at a time so there is no confusion.

#1 - i am not referencing the pharisees as you are BUT the words of the LIVING ELOHIM = the ELOHIM of Israel

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,
My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” - Jerimiah 31:31-34

#2 - Did you SEE this which i posted: "The Ten Commandments are Eternal and RESIDE in MESSIAH"

SHALOM

Amen! And here, look at our Father’s amazing Grace when He will bring this to pass in the not-too-distant future:

Assyria shall not save us, We will not ride on horses, Nor will we say anymore to the work of our hands, 'You are our gods.' For in You the fatherless finds mercy." "I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him. I will be like the dew to Israel; He shall grow like the lily, And lengthen his roots like Lebanon. His branches shall spread; His beauty shall be like an olive tree, And his fragrance like Lebanon. Those who dwell under his shadow shall return; They shall be revived like grain, And grow like a vine. Their scent shall be like the wine of Lebanon. "Ephraim shall say, 'What have I to do anymore with idols?' I have heard and observed him. I am like a green cypress tree; Your fruit is found in Me."

- Hosea 14:3-8

blessings like rain,
Selah

 

[Selah]

Both deadly demons, I agree. I can see Ecumenism personified in the Baha'i Faith. Which faith is Communism personified in?

I don’t know, brother. Maybe atheism?

 

[synergy]

I don’t know, brother. Maybe atheism?

It would have to be a Religion that strips you of your individuality/humanity and grinds you down to a common impersonal commodity to be used and abused by overlords. Calvinism comes closest to that.

 

[Selah]

Amen! And here, look at our Father’s amazing Grace when He will bring this to pass in the not-too-distant future:

Assyria shall not save us, We will not ride on horses, Nor will we say anymore to the work of our hands, 'You are our gods.' For in You the fatherless finds mercy." "I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him. I will be like the dew to Israel; He shall grow like the lily, And lengthen his roots like Lebanon. His branches shall spread; His beauty shall be like an olive tree, And his fragrance like Lebanon. Those who dwell under his shadow shall return; They shall be revived like grain, And grow like a vine. Their scent shall be like the wine of Lebanon. "Ephraim shall say, 'What have I to do anymore with idols?' I have heard and observed him. I am like a green cypress tree; Your fruit is found in Me."

- Hosea 14:3-8

blessings like rain,
Selah

 

[synergy]

Yes and amen. A big part of why they want Jesus to be God is so they don't have to try to be like him.

That is such a baseless venomous statement to say that we "don't have to try to be like him". It's not surprising coming from you.

According to Scripture, Christianity is not an easy religion. The Scriptures don't attract those who are looking for an easy ride on the coattails of Jesus all the way to heaven. Jesus taught that the way which leads to life is difficult in Matthew 7:13-14 and there is the ultimate possibility of not being found worthy of receiving eternal life at their works-based judgement, according to Paul in Romans 2:5-7.

Are you saying that we don't believe that? If so, you're just spewing out strawmen.

This message doesn't attract people who are willing to stuff the church coffers with their hard-earned money for a potential guarantee of nothing. It also doesn't attract people who don't want to sacrifice their potentially easy life in exchange for a potentially more difficult life that serves God. It only attracts those who love the Lord and it weeds out the fakers. This is the way it was designed from the beginning. God doesn't need fakers on His team and Jesus wasn't looking for them either.

So why are you here since you believe that "God doesn't need fakers on His team"?

While Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb that made atonement for sins, the grace of God only applies to those who are walking in the Light or living by faith. This is just Bible-speak for saying those who are living a life of righteousness have access to the sacrifice of Jesus that cleanses them from all sin, according 1 John 1:7. This is also repeated in a similar manner in Hebrews 10:26.

This all ultimately flies in the face of many of the gospels circulating in Protestant circles. In those circles, Jesus is God whose sacrifice allows them to sin as much as they want without consequence. These doctrines are of the variety that itch peoples' ears and tell them what they want to hear with little to no risk to themselves or their life.

More baseless venomous statements from you. You just can't help it, can you?

While it's true Trinitarianism did get a boost from the governmental authorities at the time emperor allowed Trinitarianism to be made the official state religion at the time, it is mostly popular nowadays due to false gospels that ultimately mislead others into idolatry and miscellaneous other sins.

False. You do realize that Emperor Constantine was much more inclined to believe Arianism (like you) than Trinitarianism? So if governmental authorities did have their way, we would be all Arians like you. Your history revisionism attempt just crashed and burned.

 

[Runningman]

Not once did you even mention or even hint at any acknowledgement of John 14:9 or John 6:46. Until you do, I will take it as your white flag.

In contrast to those who run away from Bible verses like you, I will deal with Acts 3:13. I do acknowledge Acts 3:13 but Ex 3 talks about a Divine Appearance. John 6:46 precludes the possibility that it's the Father appearing but John 14:9 allows the Father to be seen when one sees Jesus, the Preincarnate Jesus in this case. So stop being true to your name "Runningman" and start acknowledging the true Jesus who is God.

I love this topic because it keeps focus on Jesus not being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Look at Exodus 3:14,15 again:

14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”​

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15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.​

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So God said that this is His name forever and how He is to be remembered in every generation. No one ever remembered Jesus as the God of Abraham, etc. No one ever called Jesus that. Jesus didn't even called himself that. This proves that not only is Jesus not God, but that Jesus doesn't have the name of how God said He would be remembered. You got the wrong god.

This isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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Acts 3​

13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.​

 

[DavidTree]

I love this topic because it keeps focus on Jesus not being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Look at Exodus 3:14,15 again:

14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”​

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15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.​

​

So God said that this is His name forever and how He is to be remembered in every generation. No one ever remembered Jesus as the God of Abraham, etc. No one ever called Jesus that. Jesus didn't even called himself that. This proves that not only is Jesus not God, but that Jesus doesn't have the name of how God said He would be remembered. You got the wrong god.

This isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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Acts 3​

13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.​

That was the Eternal Word, the LORD, speaking to Moses.

And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. - John 5:37

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save He which is of God, He hath seen the Father.
John 6:36

 

[Runningman]

That was the Eternal Word, the LORD, speaking to Moses.

And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. - John 5:37

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save He which is of God, He hath seen the Father.
John 6:36

Being sent by God doesn't make someone God.

John 1
6There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John.

 

[synergy]

I love this topic because it keeps focus on Jesus not being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Look at Exodus 3:14,15 again:

14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”​

​

15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.​

​

So God said that this is His name forever and how He is to be remembered in every generation. No one ever remembered Jesus as the God of Abraham, etc. No one ever called Jesus that. Jesus didn't even called himself that. This proves that not only is Jesus not God, but that Jesus doesn't have the name of how God said He would be remembered. You got the wrong god.

This isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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Acts 3​

13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.​

You conveniently skipped over the fact that God in Ex 3 also called himself "I Am" which Jesus claimed as his name in John 8:58. God called himself and was called many names. Jesus never got your memo that he would have to mention all his names before you would believe him. One name was sufficient for the Pharisees to want to stone him.

See, I addressed your comments/verses and showed you how everything aligns perfectly with Trinitarianism and common logic. You, on the other hand, run away from John 6:46 and John 14:9 as fast as your legs can carry you. If you continue to avoid them, I will take that as your white flag.

 

[Studyman]

Allow me to answer ONE question at a time so there is no confusion.

#1 - i am not referencing the pharisees as you are BUT the words of the LIVING ELOHIM = the ELOHIM of Israel

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,
My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” - Jerimiah 31:31-34

#2 - Did you SEE this which i posted: "The Ten Commandments are Eternal and RESIDE in MESSIAH"

SHALOM

But the Pharisees were not trying to be "justified" by "keeping the 10 commandments" of God. And they were not attempting to turn men again to "ANY" Covenant "of God", old or new, at least according to Scriptures.

And Paul in Galatians didn't speak to the old or new covenant.

I believe God when HE defined His New Covenant in Jeremiah. What changed was the manner in which God's Laws are received, and how sins are atoned for, at least this is what HE said as you can see above in your own posting.

"after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts".

So, in your religion, how did men receive God's Law in the First Covenant, according to Scriptures?

"For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

And how was forgiveness of Sins provided for in the First covenant, according to Scriptures?

It seems these are prudent questions that have an answer and must be answered before continuing.

 

[Studyman]

Let me know if you AGREE with Scripture in Post 264 and then i will continue to answer your questions = one at a time

SHALOM

I believe ALL Scriptures written in the law and prophets, including the ones you posted. I'm trying to determine what philosophy you are promoting and have asked questions to this end.

 

[Runningman]

You conveniently skipped over the fact that God in Ex 3 also called himself "I Am" which Jesus claimed as his name in John 8:58. God called himself and was called many names. Jesus never got your memo that he would have to mention all his names before you would believe him. One name was sufficient for the Pharisees to want to stone him.

See, I addressed your comments/verses and showed you how everything aligns perfectly with Trinitarianism. You, on the other hand, run away from John 6:46 and John 14:9 as fast as your legs can carry you. If you continue to avoid them, I will take that as your white flag.

Jesus didn't call himself the "I am" in John 8:58. It's in the nominative case which is used for declarations, not Jesus identifying himself as the "I am." We also still have the fact that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the I AM and that Jesus isn't the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Simple, easy, beautiful logic plainly means Jesus isn't God.

 

[Runningman]

Sorry you are simply ignoring revelation



You assume that ignoring the fact Jesus was specifically stated to have a sword coming out of his mouth and have eyes of blazing fire

You are not doing exegesis you are simply spouting your theology ignoring the text and the obvious identification

Revelation 1:13–18 (KJV 1900) — 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 19:11–16 (KJV 1900) — 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 17:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The Father is not the lamb, not the son of man, not the one who was dead and he never is given the appellation the word

The lamb is identified as the King of Kings and the lord of lords

You keep quoting the same things. As far as I am concerned, your rider being Jesus theory has been debunked. Jesus doesn't fit all of the descriptions of the rider, but YHWH God does. You must admit that there isn't a correlation between all of the descriptions of the Rider and Jesus. Some of the most painful ones for you are the fact that Jesus is never said to have tread the winepress of God, is never called King of kings and Lord of lords in Scripture and is never said to have worn robes dipped in blood.

These are just some of the many exclusive titles and descriptions of God that Jesus doesn't share.