Pauls use of Predestination

[Behold]

What Paul says we believers are predestined to is adoption, to be conformed to the image of Christ,

This conforming into Christ, happens after you are dead or you are raptured... so that can't be Calvin's "pre-destined to be born again before you showed up on earth"... nonsense.

 

[Rockson]

When it serves His purposes, certainly.

Sin is the degeneration of LIFE and is connected to spiritual death. I Cor 15:26 calls it his enemy. You're calling it his friend.

 

[Rockson]

Who says?

You can see it demonstrated within many scriptures Even in the LOVE chapter 1 Cor 15 you can see it there. Other places too.

 

[TomL]

When it serves His purposes, certainly. Everything serves His purposes.

I repeat does God desire all your sin?

 

[Rockson]

When it serves His purposes, certainly. Everything serves His purposes.

It would do you well to stop here and see where your Calvinism has taken you. To the readers as least is this something you really want to sign on to, that the most insidious sins which wouldn't be in good taste to make mention of here that God somehow desired them?

 

[synergy]

When it serves His purposes, certainly. Everything serves His purposes.

This is what the Elect Standard Version Bible says for John 3:16:

For God so loved the world For God so desired all your sin that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him is imputed belief should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[Presby02]

Sin is the degeneration of LIFE and is connected to spiritual death. I Cor 15:26 calls it his enemy. You're calling it his friend.

Quote me saying it's His friend.

 

[Presby02]

I repeat does God desire all your sin?

I will to then.

When it serves His purposes, certainly.

Everything serves His purposes.

 

[Presby02]

This is what the Elect Standard Version Bible says for John 3:16:

For God so loved the world For God so desired all your sin that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him is imputed belief should not perish but have everlasting life.

Is that what it says? Are you lying by chance?

 

[Presby02]

You can see it demonstrated within many scriptures Even in the LOVE chapter 1 Cor 15 you can see it there. Other places too.

Great. But who says?

 

[Presby02]

It would do you well to stop here and see where your Calvinism has taken you. To the readers as least is this something you really want to sign on to, that the most insidious sins which wouldn't be in good taste to make mention of here that God somehow desired them?

Did He desire the crucifixion?

 

[TomL]

I will to then.

When it serves His purposes, certainly.

Everything serves His purposes.

So you believe God's determination is the cause of all your sin?

 

[Presby02]

So you believe God's determination is the cause of all your sin?

When it serves His purposes, certainly.

Everything serves His purposes.

 

[TomL]

Did He desire the crucifixion?

The crucifixion was redemptive.

Is it your view child rape, the Holocaust were redemptive in nature?

 

[TomL]

When it serves His purposes, certainly.

Everything serves His purposes.

So God had a purpose and determined all your sins

Don't you realize that is contrary to scripture

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.


if God determined all your sin you are tempted above which you are able and there is no way to escape

 

[civic]

So God had a purpose and determined all your sins

Don't you realize that is contrary to scripture

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.


if God determined all your sin you are tempted above which you are able and there is no way to escape

Notice the evasion

 

[civic]

Except they were predestined before they were ever born. Which means they were predestined before believing. Or did you choose to be predestined also?

Where does it say that ?

 

[Presby02]

The crucifixion was redemptive.

Is it your view child rape, the Holocaust were redemptive in nature?

Who said it had to be redemptive in nature or even that they couldn't be?

 

[Presby02]

Where does it say that ?

God's omniscience. LOL what were you really doing for 40 years?

 

[civic]

God's omniscience. LOL what were you really doing for 40 years?

Which doesn’t mean determinism/ predestination/ fatalism etc . Neither does foreknowledge.

hope this helps !!!