civic
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Amen my friend
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praise_yeshua
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There are many contrasts with Moses and very few appeals to similarities with Moses.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Jesus is the law giver. He has ALL the authority. Moses didn't have ALL authority.
APAK
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On the second go around on this post...in Matthew
Well civic you will not find a an explicit text of scripture saying that Jesus is the new or second Moses in Matthew, however there is this comparison made none-the-less. You have to pull it out as it were...by analysis of scripture.
It is written in the Book of Matthew that some experiences of Jesus are reflective of Moses' life..I believe Matthias was pointing to this in Matthew.
Moses received the 10 Tablets of the Law from up on high, of the Father, atop of a high mountain, written in Exodus. Jesus gave the local people from a high mountain or hill the 9 Blessings or Beatitudes from their same Father God(Matt 5:1-12)
There are also similar experiences in the threat of of their deaths:
Pharaoh slaughtered Hebrew babies as Herod slaughtered the same and both Moses and Jesus escaped and lived. (Matt 2:13:18)
These are just two comparisons of Jesus and Moses in Matthew.
@Matthias is on target
praise_yeshua
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I mentioned the contrasts Jesus spoke of in Matthew 5. Why do you see Matthew 5 as complementary to "Second Moses" view?
Just where did Moses receive
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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I would like a solid answer. I've said for many years that Matthew 5 wasn't promoting the law of Moses. Jesus was showing the inadequacies of the law of Moses.
We didn't need a second Moses. We NEEDED The Son of God. The Law Giver Himself. I'm not better than Moses. Much worse, however, Moses was never good enough. Christ IS always more than enough.
Matthias
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Like thousands upon thousands of trinitarians (and non-trinitarians) before me. Moses typology is widely recognized and acknowledged. Objections have no merit, imo. It should be non-controversial.
The NT writers confirm that Jesus of Nazareth is the prophet like Moses whom God promised to raise up from among the people.
Peter
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Thank you sirAmen my friend
praise_yeshua
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Was Moses "Lord"?
There is a simple comparison made. In fact Deut 18:8 makes that comparison clear.
Deut 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
"I will put my words in HIS mouth". That is the comparison.
Jesus is Eternally Lord. More than Moses. The article attempts to extends the comparison in ways that not match Deut 18:18.
Matthias
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Moses was made “God” to Pharaoh by God.
The parallels between Moses and Jesus in Matthew’s Gospel are obvious and intentional.
No one (among those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah) disputes that Jesus is > than Moses.
praise_yeshua
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I quoted the Scriptures. All I've seen you do is make a claim without evidence.
Matthias
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This is tawdry behavior. Elementary School playground level conversation. Don’t you ever tire of it?
The trinitarian sources I provided contained the scriptural quotes - the evidence. I agree with them and see no reason to repeat it.
civic
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Because there is no evidence hence it’s missing. Indefensible biblically. Just the expected unbiblical teachings of men.
praise_yeshua
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You should do more than just post a link. You should provide a quote from the link that distinctly matches your own belief. I do not believe you accept every single word at the link.
If I post a link to an article that I agree with... will you read it all? If I knew you would, I might would find the largest article I could find so you could actually feel the frustration of such tactics.
The writer of that article is not here to defend the article from your perspective and perspective is everything.
Have you ever quoted the Bible to only have someone tell you that you're wrong about what it says???? Make an application here.
I'm not trying to be difficult but your requirements are self serving.
There will be some similarities between Christ and the saints.
What distinguishes Him (Christ) from them is that He is the proper recipient of prayer which proves He is God.
Acts 3:22-23 (cf. Deuteronomy 18:15)
(22) Moses said, The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you.
(23) And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.
Earlier in his proclamation Peter referred to Christ as the Righteous One.
Acts 3:14
But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you.
Acts 22:14-16
(14) And he said, The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.
(15) For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard.
(16) Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.
The Righteous One is used in association with calling on the name of the Lord Jesus.
This means to pray to Him as being YHWH.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/prayer.114/#post-4760
The same thing is taught in Acts 7.
Acts 7:37
This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren.
Acts 7:52
Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become.
Acts 7:59-60
(59) They went on stoning Stephen as he called out “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
(60) Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.
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civic
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Ditto. I don’t mind it once in a while but not all of the time as no one is interested. It’s a conversation killer. There is no dialogue. It’s a one way street monologue at that point. I want to engage the person not some 3rd party that’s not here.
civic
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There we go some scripture someone has put some time and thought into that’s relevant to the conversation.
praise_yeshua
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Yes. A few similarities with MANY differences.
APAK
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I will respond to PY now as he wants a solid answer from me. He has already answered his query in his post already if he re-examines it. Typologies usually are of similar ideas and progressive although some of these similar types can appear to contrast/differ in thought although they are an improvement and thus similar, just an improvement of that original idea and type as Moses with the Law and Jesus' improvement upon it.
praise_yeshua
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Thank you. I can agree with much of what you said. Some details may be different. I'm glad you see the superiority of Christ.
APAK
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PY you have given yourself the answer already from within your post...second to last paragraph. Yes I agree with you, Jesus improved upon the Law as the 2nd and NEW Moses type. And yes, we needed a Son of God to fulfill this improvement like nobody else. He is a great improvement over the original Moses and for obvious reasons.... I cannot blame Moses for what he was dealing with in his time though. Someone had to start the ball rolling on the plan for human restoration. Both Moses and Jesus were servants of God, both were called out to serve God as the giver of instructions and commands of God. Both were types of powerful prophets in their own right. They were also both considered gods in the eyes of their same one true God for their dedicated service and agents of God at pivotal times in history.
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