My full defense of PSA

[Dizerner]

So. Augustine talked extensively about his life as a sinner. Where do you think Augustine embraced Paganism? Manichaeism?

Augustine completely renounced his pagan life.

Not that he was doctrinally perfect or anything.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Also this is false.

It is sin that is the basis for everlasting torment.

Not just rejecting the solution for sin.

Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

There are different requirements for different levels of sin.

Judgment of all sin doesn't require death. Even the law allowed for simple solutions to sin in restitution.

I try not to say anything without giving much thoughts to why I'm saying it.

 

[Dizerner]

Expand. Elaborate. Get this blood off your hands. You haven't spent enough time cleaning your hands with me.

You're hilarious.

First you say, it never was my responsibility.

Then you say, I didn't do enough.

Lol!

It is not your call, fellow.

The truth has clearly been preached to you multiple times, in great clarity, including sincere intercession for your soul.

If you end up in hell, you have no one to blame but your own rebellion and pride.

Jesus paid the full price for sin on the Cross.

Reject or accept it.

And stop playing around.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Augustine completely renounced his pagan life.

Not that he was doctrinally perfect or anything.

Saying such things and actually doing them are entirely different things. Don't argue like this. It is obvious. He has knowledge that he blended with Christianity...or things he learned.

 

[Dizerner]

I have preached the Gospel here and will not allow manipulation.

The rest is between each soul and God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You're hilarious.

First you say, it never was my responsibility.

Then you say, I didn't do enough.

Lol!

It is not your call, fellow.

The truth has clearly been preached to you multiple times, in great clarity, including sincere intercession for your soul.

If you end up in hell, you have no one to blame but your own rebellion and pride.

Jesus paid the full price for sin on the Cross.

Reject or accept it.

And stop playing around.

It made an argument and then accepted your self stated obligation. I was answering your own claim. Not agreeing with you. You're not my arbitrator. Appealing to Ezekiel is self serving on your part.

I would like for you to get into the details of your claims you just made. Don't say "I've said enough" now....

 

[TomL]

Just to clear some things up here.

Original Sin teaches that everyone spiritually died in Adam, and thus are born children of wrath by nature. This is a different doctrine than Original Guilt which teaches Adam's specific sin was attributes to each of his progeny. However, it does end up still that all people are born sinners. There is a preponderance of Biblical support that one man's sin brought condemnation to all.

Yes, one sin infinitely offends God, or an endless hell would not logically make sense. You would literally have to deny hell and become an annihilationist to reject that logic.

Sins were not "paid" for by animals, this is not what anyone teaches, it's a straw man misrepresentation. The animals symbolized the once-for-all payment to come in Christ, and God accepted that faith in Christ's vicarious sacrifice.

Of course God could have logically set up a different justice system or decided not to be holy, he has that power. There is nothing disputable in attributing to God the power to be whatever he wants, as he specifically claims he can.

Forgiveness from God must require Christ to suffer the penalty of sin. This is what separates Christianity out from Muslims and moralistic works-oriented deities who allow people to somehow work off their sin before a holy God.

Yes, Christ is the only one with the worth to redeem humanity. This should not even be in dispute. Yes, Christ become a human being to take our place for us—why else would he even do it? To put humanity on the pedestal and say how great we are?

Yes, Christ takes the penalty of sin. Else God is actually permissive towards evil, and we know that is not true. Else God violates his own Holy Law and we know that is not true. This is the source of our redemption—the suffering of Christ for our sins. We see the picture God chose to represent Christ on the Cross was actually a snake on a pole—please deeply pray and think about that.

Imprecise descriptions of condemnation are unhelpful, there is no literally separation of ontology. Nothing can literally be separated from God.

Please give this some original thought and prayer instead of watching another anti-PSA video, because this is an important truth.

Thank you for posting your view; however, I do not agree with it, and an anti PSA video has nothing to do with it.

There are verses that deny a transference of guilt from a father to a son

Ezekiel 18:20 (LEB) — 20 The person, the one sinning, will die. A son shall not bear the guilt of the father, and a father shall not bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him; the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (LEB) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, and children shall not be put to death because of their fathers; each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Jeremiah 31:29–30 (LEB) — 29 “In those days they will say no longer, ‘Parents have eaten unripe fruit, and the teeth of the children are set on edge.’ 30 But each will die because of his iniquity, everyone who eats the unripe fruit, their teeth will be set on edge.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (LEB) — 1 And the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, 2 “What do you mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel, saying, ‘The fathers, they ate unripe fruit, and the teeth of the child became blunt.’ 3 As I live, declares the Lord Yahweh, it will surely not any longer be appropriate for you to quote this proverb in Israel! 4 Look! All lives are mine. The lives of father and son alike are mine. The person sinning will die.

2 Kings 14:6 (LEB) — 6 But the sons of the killers he did not kill, as it is written in the scroll of the law of Moses which Yahweh had commanded, saying, “Fathers should not be killed because of children, and children should not be killed because of fathers; but a man should die because of his own sin.”